Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I made the same comment on one of aveyond's many returns and people kept defending him.

To quote his own words, " I told you so."

Aveyond made those who defended him look stupid.

But they'll Pretend it didnt happen, or make excuses for it because its Socially popular to talk bad about FFXIV right now.
And we all know; and have confirmed, that they have no Backbone or spine to follow-through.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

This is a weird one because we have seen complaints that have occurred over years get changed, the easiest example being SE finally changing Living Dead after like 6 years of resisting. If the devs changed one thing people had been complaining about then whats to say they won't change other things even after resisting for years? I think that is the biggest reason to continuing to provide feedback as the devs may not want to change or feel it needs to be changed now but who knows where we will be in the future.

No, hey that is good. It just took 6 years, but change DOES happen. I never once ever told people or advocated for people to ever stop posting Critisms. (But people love to act like I do)
And Well how about this....Im not part of this crowd because I personally like Healing. But for years people have criticisms about Healing in this game, and have mentioned it for years, constantly saying how the Devs "Dont Listen" So pretty much..."If they dont listen, then what is the point"
Obviously a few people think thats a weird contrast to "If the 'play other game' thing always gets negative replies, then Why Keep Saying it?'

But thats the point Im making.

Because as far as I know the purpose of a forum usually is to share ideas and thoughts or vent their feelings.

A repeated 'You can play something else' is neither of those but instead feels like it's cutting off discourse while adding oil to the fire at the same time.

For the record, judging from your other posts I fully believe that the comments you make are in good faith. I'm just sharing how it comes across from my point of view.

Oh, it's plain to see you post in good faith.

It's just for the most part, it has unfortunately been used en masse to dismiss valid player feedback, and quite frankly a large number of us get a nerve tick even reading it because of it lol

I still shout into the void in hopes they will actually implement these changes even if it feels hopeless, which is kind of sad. They have shown in the past they are capable of listening to player feedback (even if it requires content creators to actually get the point across due to marketing). So, running on the fumes of pure hopium, because I know they can absolutely do better than what they did with the patches in Endwalker.

Yes it is, and not once have I told people to never share. I Encourage it.
I have never had the intention to stop or stifle Discussion, and find it weird thats the thoughts people get. Of course I could probably work on my delivery, but it would also be good if this mindset isn't the 1st thing people jump to.

I wish the best for the game, and want everyone to enjoy it.
And do hope they learn from Endwalker.

[lulunami]

https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fant...enix-president

The numbers do not lie. Yoshi P's game direction is not well received by players, and it shows in their sales.

Final Fantasy was an (J)RPG series.
Final Fantasy XVI is not an RPG.

Final Fantasy XI is an MMORPG.
Final Fantasy XIV is an RPGMMO.

I will go out on a limb and say that Baldur's Gate 3, a CRPG (computer role-playing game with Dungeon & Dragon type rules, a niche genre) will sell more games than Final Fantasy XVI by the end of this year. Turning Final Fantasy into a discount Sony third-person action game, a la God of War/Last of Us is not the best strategy.

Listen to your fans. Stop ignoring them.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Lets also be realistic and fair.....
If FFXVI wasn't a PS5 Exclusive, those sales would have been much bigger.
Just about everybody has a Gaming PC, not everybody has a PS5. This isn't about if the game was Good or anything, its just more people play on PC overall. And with the hype generated around FFXVI, I think they would have seen much bigger sales as a whole. Instead of trying to generate and inspire more people to get a PS5 via Timed Exclusivity

[Lauront]

I'm not convinced it'd be that much higher. SE is notorious for its inability to optimise on PC, and its spec demands would already limit the number of PCs capable of running it well. While the PS5 has had supply issues, it's still 40m+ install base now, while the PC market itself has also suffered a couple of years of high component costs. Not to mention, it would cost them Sony's assistance with developing and marketing the game, meaning higher costs on that side coupled with the cost/time spent porting it to PC on day 1 release.

You can look at 7R or 15's performance for their PC ports... it may be from a couple of years after initial release, but for both the majority of their sales were PS4. Plus there isn't some deterministic rate at which a game can sell on PS5, there's other games that out-sold it on PS5, so it's down to how many consumers they could entice to buy it. Guess we'll see how its PC port performs, as will 7 Rebirth's sales as a comparison.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'm not convinced it'd be that much higher. SE is notorious for its inability to optimise on PC, and its spec demands would already limit the number of PCs capable of running it well. While the PS5 has had supply issues, it's still 40m+ install base now, while the PC market itself has also suffered a couple of years of high component costs. Not to mention, it would cost them Sony's assistance with developing and marketing the game, meaning higher costs on that side coupled with the cost/time spent porting it to PC.

You can look at 7R or 15's performance for their PC ports... it may be from a couple of years after initial release, but for both the majority of their sales were PS4. Plus there isn't some deterministic rate at which a game can sell on PS5, there's other games that out-sold it on PS5, so it's down to how many consumers they could entice to buy it. Guess we'll see how its PC port performs, as will 7 Rebirth's sales as a comparison.

That true? I actually didnt know FFVII:R sold more on PS4.
Or that FFXV had issues on OC. But FFXV was just...awful on release.

[Renathras]

https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fant...enix-president

The numbers do not lie. Yoshi P's game direction is not well received by players, and it shows in their sales.

The numbers don't lie...but they also don't support your point here.

FF16 not being successful says literally nothing about the Final Fantasy series, FF11, FF14, Baldur's Gate 3, or God of War/Last of US. It says nothing about any of them. As many people have noted, FF16 sales are always going to be limited due to the stupid PS5 exclusivity that SE keeps doing for god knows what reason.

BG3 has a different audience. If you weren't aware, the amount of people worldwide interested in Dungeons & Dragons (what BG3 is directly based in, as were the two prior installments) is a larger audience than even FF game audience in an overall sense (not just pen and paper but also digital incarnations; one can even argue that Final Fantasy ITSELF is a derivative of D&D). So a really good D&D game will outsell pretty much any more niche genre game, and no matter what people think of them, MMOs are a somewhat more niche genre.

While I do agree that SE does a lot of stupid things (the gacha games, NFTs, etc) and takes money from its more successful properties (like FF14) to fund these random things instead of returning all that money to them to keep them growing...

...FF16's RELATIVE failure isn't related to FF14.

Also note the word in caps: Relative.

FF16 still sold plenty and made the company money. They had just projected it selling more than it did. As Zanarkand-Ronso points out:

Lets also be realistic and fair.....
If FFXVI wasn't a PS5 Exclusive, those sales would have been much bigger.
Just about everybody has a Gaming PC, not everybody has a PS5. This isn't about if the game was Good or anything, its just more people play on PC overall. And with the hype generated around FFXVI, I think they would have seen much bigger sales as a whole. Instead of trying to generate and inspire more people to get a PS5 via Timed Exclusivity

[Lauront]

That true? I actually didnt know FFVII:R sold more on PS4.

Yes, they recently confirmed it had 7m copies shipped and sold digitally, coupled with confirmation prior to that that it had sold 3.5m units in its first three days on the PS4. There's online estimates of the steam numbers putting them at 500k-700k.

[SaberMaxwell]

Would bringing up this discord war not -also- be derailment? Unless Zepla was also involved in said discord war, which admittedly would be funny.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Would bringing up this discord war not -also- be derailment? Unless Zepla was also involved in said discord war, which admittedly would be funny.

Ah.. the discord/Zepla/content creator war of 2023. I remember the days of General Aveyond riding around the plains of the FFXIV forums in his large white stallion warning the people of the state of the Unio- uh I mean the state of the game