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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Yes I know Square Enix is a small indie company, I know
    It sort of is, money is not just there and just because some big company earned a billion during the year, then you need to cut in all the expenses as well, I don't think you realize the business point of view as in having healthy business running as well, it is not like they can just take funds earned from other other projects, those funds need to be there for these other projects and further development of eg. seequals and new games down that line as well.

    SE is not just FFXIV... there is quite the amount of labes branded with SE, you can compare SE to EA and the pick would be easy from where you would buy games from to begin with.

    It is also like went right over the head of people that FFXIV is or have gotten new and better servers as well.... and well they need to focus on their main market as well, which is very much Japan and Asian region most of all...

    I for one welcomed the new DD, the Critierion Dungeons, have to say I got better used to them later on before the initial release to be honest, and I like the pvp part of the game as well, CC alone can be very intense.

    In EW... I barely got into the Extreme Trials did a very little of that... on the first 3 ones... though I would like to get all the mounts from them, but in due time.... SB I just did pretty much everything of note... SHB was a bit 50/50.

    I think people expect to get more than what they want to pay for, and long story short... it is cheaper much cheaper to play FFXIV than buying every AAA game that is released based alone on the time spendt playing each game, also uhm... AAA games today has been downgraded to HHH games due to Larion Set the Bar of games with Baldurs Gate 3 and big companies like EA and UBISOFT and more has been out complaining about that they made the game is too good.... ( it is an epic good game ) and they did not even add lootboxes and other kinds of stuff and forced on weird server things.

    For games today and the future, you may see an uplift, but you may also see an increased price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    It sort of is, money is not just there and just because some big company earned a billion during the year, then you need to cut in all the expenses as well, I don't think you realize the business point of view as in having healthy business running as well, it is not like they can just take funds earned from other other projects, those funds need to be there for these other projects and further development of eg. seequals and new games down that line as well.

    SE is not just FFXIV... there is quite the amount of labes branded with SE, you can compare SE to EA and the pick would be easy from where you would buy games from to begin with.

    It is also like went right over the head of people that FFXIV is or have gotten new and better servers as well.... and well they need to focus on their main market as well, which is very much Japan and Asian region most of all...

    I for one welcomed the new DD, the Critierion Dungeons, have to say I got better used to them later on before the initial release to be honest, and I like the pvp part of the game as well, CC alone can be very intense.

    In EW... I barely got into the Extreme Trials did a very little of that... on the first 3 ones... though I would like to get all the mounts from them, but in due time.... SB I just did pretty much everything of note... SHB was a bit 50/50.

    I think people expect to get more than what they want to pay for, and long story short... it is cheaper much cheaper to play FFXIV than buying every AAA game that is released based alone on the time spendt playing each game, also uhm... AAA games today has been downgraded to HHH games due to Larion Set the Bar of games with Baldurs Gate 3 and big companies like EA and UBISOFT and more has been out complaining about that they made the game is too good.... ( it is an epic good game ) and they did not even add lootboxes and other kinds of stuff and forced on weird server things.

    For games today and the future, you may see an uplift, but you may also see an increased price.
    Taking money from one game and using it to fund their other projects is literally what they've been doing with XIV, though. This game is their golden goose. It carries them through years without big releases. It funded all their NFT nonsense. Considering how much of a golden goose it is, the earnings are very clearly not being invested back into the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    Taking money from one game and using it to fund their other projects is literally what they've been doing with XIV, though. This game is their golden goose. It carries them through years without big releases. It funded all their NFT nonsense. Considering how much of a golden goose it is, the earnings are very clearly not being invested back into the game.
    At that point I don't get why folks put the brunt of the blame on Yoshi P instead of SE itself. I'm a firm believer that guy wants the game to be the best it can but he doesn't get the funding needed to do this.
    I also think this is why it seems he comes out as lying when he says they can't do something but then a year or so later it gets done. Could be possible at that time they didn't have the money/resources to. It's all murky really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    At that point I don't get why folks put the brunt of the blame on Yoshi P instead of SE itself. I'm a firm believer that guy wants the game to be the best it can but he doesn't get the funding needed to do this.
    I also think this is why it seems he comes out as lying when he says they can't do something but then a year or so later it gets done. Could be possible at that time they didn't have the money/resources to. It's all murky really.
    And sadly people dont ever think of, or consider that.
    So when the Corporation: that actually PAYS for everything, actually has the final say, people just blame YoshiP because he is the Game Director / The FACE of the game, he takes the blame, despite it being out of his control.

    But see, any amount of Rationalization just makes you a Shill and a White Knight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    At that point I don't get why folks put the brunt of the blame on Yoshi P instead of SE itself. I'm a firm believer that guy wants the game to be the best it can but he doesn't get the funding needed to do this.
    I also think this is why it seems he comes out as lying when he says they can't do something but then a year or so later it gets done. Could be possible at that time they didn't have the money/resources to. It's all murky really.
    If anything, i'm willing to bet that Yoshi-P has stood between FFXIV and the SE executives more than once to prevent even worse outcomes. I trust SE about as much as they moderate this forum, but Yoshi-P at least, I've seen him talk, how he cares about the game, and I'm more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If/When he leaves for good, I think people will quickly start to wish for the good ol' days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    If/When he leaves for good, I think people will quickly start to wish for the good ol' days.
    Lol they've been doing that since Heavensward
    But you know, I still wonder what would FFXIV be like without YoshiP. Im kind of convinced anybody else that would replace him would just make the Monetization of the game worse then people think it is now.
    And quite frankly, the games monetization is Kittens compared to other games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    At that point I don't get why folks put the brunt of the blame on Yoshi P instead of SE itself. I'm a firm believer that guy wants the game to be the best it can but he doesn't get the funding needed to do this.
    I also think this is why it seems he comes out as lying when he says they can't do something but then a year or so later it gets done. Could be possible at that time they didn't have the money/resources to. It's all murky really.
    It's made known by now that I'm heavily critical toward this expansion, but I still genuinely believe Yoship wants the best for this game.

    The man doesn't even want to be on the board of directors, he wants to make great games that people will enjoy for years to come. He has to split his focus on too much. At the end of the day, this game might be milked by SE, and it does feel like not enough goes into the game at times, but it's SE that directly provides the funding brought by that profit.
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    Last edited by Zairava; 09-10-2023 at 03:38 AM. Reason: shortened first bit, unnecessary fluff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    At that point I don't get why folks put the brunt of the blame on Yoshi P instead of SE itself. I'm a firm believer that guy wants the game to be the best it can but he doesn't get the funding needed to do this.
    I also think this is why it seems he comes out as lying when he says they can't do something but then a year or so later it gets done. Could be possible at that time they didn't have the money/resources to. It's all murky really.
    I think it's a bit of both. On one hand, Yoshi-P doesn't have unliateral control over finances and budget. On the other hand, there have been questionable decisions that are not related to budget, like dumbing down jobs and making content with no staying power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    there have been questionable decisions that are not related to budget, like dumbing down jobs and making content with no staying power.
    I see where he is coming from on these things though. "Dumbing down jobs" is to make them intuitive to all players, especially new and returning players. Content with no staying power seems to be to reflect how people play a game with new DLC for a few days, then move onto the next.

    But these things can be done whilst also having some content that has staying power and jobs could have optional ways to make them harder to play for those who want it.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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