PL Woes

[Wolfie]

I would rather have a clueless somebody at 50 in a week, than have the same person quit at level 30 because leveling is boring as all hell. And trust me, there are dozens of people who do this.

If SE is not willing to make leveling fun and engaging, with multiple ways to progress through the levels aside from mob grindan and leve grindan, then I'm going to defend PLing.

[darkstarpoet1]

I would rather have a clueless somebody at 50 in a week, than have the same person quit at level 30 because leveling is boring as all hell. And trust me, there are dozens of people who do this.

If SE is not willing to make leveling fun and engaging, with multiple ways to progress through the levels aside from mob grindan and leve grindan, then I'm going to defend PLing.

sure and there's dozens of good players that quit because they keep having to deal with those clueless people in parties.

[Wolfie]

sure and there's dozens of good players that quit because they keep having to deal with those clueless people in parties.

Calling bulls**t on this. Show me proof of people quitting because they had to deal with noobs at 50.

[darkstarpoet1]

Calling bulls**t on this. Show me proof of people quitting because they had to deal with noobs at 50.

why should i have to show you proof of anything? i've known multiple people that have left the game because of dealing with them. i've got as much proof as you do. if someone quit because leveling took time in a mmo then a mmo wasn't for them in the first place.

[Wolfie]

why should i have to show you proof of anything? i've known multiple people that have left the game because of dealing with them. i've got as much proof as you do. if someone quit because leveling took time in a mmo then a mmo wasn't for them in the first place.

I know you're one of the lowest IQ posters on this site, but no, you have no proof. I have two linkshells that are sitting at a tiny fraction of their total member count, and both of these were started from people that started out fresh.

I will be posting pictures of this when I get home later today so you can eat your words.

[darkstarpoet1]

I know you're one of the lowest IQ posters on this site, but no, you have no proof. I have two linkshells that are sitting at a tiny fraction of their total member count, and both of these were started from people that started out fresh.

I will be posting pictures of this when I get home later today so you can eat your words.

yeah nice personal attacks. people quit this game for many different reasons. saying that someone quit at level 30 is just that they quit at level 30. it does not add up to the reason each and every person quit at 30 was because it took a long time to level up.

for example:
they could have hated the story in this game that is really lacking.
they could have quit because they did not like the battle system.
they could have quit because they didn't like having no mid game content.
they could have quit because of leveling speed.
they could have quit because of a horrible community.
they could have quit due to the limiting fatigue system.
they could have quit because of the changes yohsi has put in.
they could have quit due to tanaka's original vision.
they could have quit due to their pc's having issues running the game.
they could have quit due to the constant game crashes.
they could have quit due to people being power leveled.

if your excuse is all of those people sub rank 30 quit the game because the leveling speed was so slow then where are they now? the speed has been made as fast as wow and xi now, but i don't see those 95% of players that quit back in game, yet. i'll eat my words when you show me where all those original players that left due to the speed of leveling have returned.

you cannot turn around and tell me that people have not quit because of people being power leveled. i know quite a few that quit when the first sp increase came into the game years ago because they were pissed their hours of grinding were worthless because someone could get more sp in one leve party than originally could be gotten in a full day of grinding.

[Krausus]

why should i have to show you proof of anything? i've known multiple people that have left the game because of dealing with them. i've got as much proof as you do. if someone quit because leveling took time in a mmo then a mmo wasn't for them in the first place.

I call Bullshit on this as well

[Nakiami]

Oh no! In an online video game there will be bad players, WHAT A HORRIBLE FATE!



At least the OP handled his situation with a bad player with some maturity over the players who've quit because they can't be bothered with bad players.

[Ramsey]

This thread makes the fundamental mistake of assuming EXP PTs in FFXIV would ever require you to know what Esuna is, or how to use it.

Unfortunately, even if you don't PL, PTing as far as I can tell in FFXIV is as mindless as it was in post ToAU FFXI, basically, completely mindless.

I'm glad PLing exists, though I don't often do it myself, when I'm leveling a second or third job I will throw slow bits if I get sick of partying and leveing, because unfortunately, that content is not very interesting the second or third time through. Not that it was mind-blowing in FFXI, but pre-ToAU there was usually enough coordination involved to keep things interesting.

In FFXIV though, the average status effect doesn't last very long, and most enemies don't have very painful effects, especially not ones you exp on. The worst is sleep, and you don't need esuna to wake someone up.

[Eiz]

There are many reasons implicit in the comments against the pl, not all objective and reasoned. I don't buy the argument that leveling with PL make you a noob. I'm not going to defend that behavior neither, but one thing must be pointed: PL doesn't create noobs. There are a lot out there and i'm sure most of them doesn't even know about the PL thing.
Noobism is an attitude, it goes with the personality, same way as in life there are and always will be ignorants and there is people eager of knowledge.

I used to have 6 75's in FFXI. Ones i've used more and others less. Ones were leveled in barely one month while others took me a year and half. Obviously, your knowledge and skills with a job, like anything in life, improves with experience and practice... but also with effort and the amount of interest you put on it.
There were people in XI who took the long and tedious way of leveling a job and played it for years and still playing and behaving like noobs. In fact the word "noob" itself differs from "newbie" in that point.

The job that took me year and half (my 1st as you can guess) was the Dark Knight. I played that job for thousands of hours (Leveling, Genkai, Main Sceneario, RoZ, CoP, farming, camping, and finally end game). I got to know every minor detail of DRK, got obsessed parsing and improving dps and gear-swap macros for every single spell or weaponskill. That's good.

But at some point, a random group of ppl i was playing with, needed a RDM/DRK. All 6 RDM's in that group were too lazy to level DRK to 37 so i used to get my RDM1 and leveled it to 75 in near a month. Just a few weeks after that i was leading Stun at khimaira, cerberus or tiamat, mostly in Tank's party so you can figure out.

The happy ending of this history is that i loved RDM and started playing it as my main job. If you read this, Mr-P, we want Delamund to bring us Red Mage back!

Well, my point is not that I rock.. is that you can complain about PL for many reasons.. Because lowers the challenge, or because you leveled painfully through leves from release and it bothers you that others have this shortcurt.. all that is fine. But please, don't put the noob's excuse, is self-deceptive.