Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Renathras]

I didn't read your post so I have no opinion on your stance since I don't know what it is. But for a more concrete answer for you, it's an attack on the length of your posts, not you as an individual.
The insanity thing was because people have always told you your posts are too long and they don't read them. You continue to do it then get mad when people don't read them. It's a cycle that you continue doing.

You probably haven't been paying attention, but I made short posts.

Know what happened?

People said they weren't going to read them, either.

Except one person. He read them. And said I was implying things unsaid, so attacked me for the things he imagined I implied by not writing out my full thoughts in detail.

Sometimes less is more Even if it means you can't address every comment or point. The ones you do address will be easier to continue a dialogue over.

You are one of those posters who gets responses from a lot of people at once though. I've been there before - especially if you have an opinion that goes against the grain. But sometimes it's just not possible to respond to everyone either. (Or, maybe for you it is - you seem pretty good at grabbing all the comments lol).

True.

So, will you take me up on posting about 2-3 of Zepla's points you found interesting so we could discuss those?

Again, attack my post length all you want - I'm the only person actually talking about Zepla's arguments. How should we, as a forum, interpret the fact that there is only one person in this thread actually talking about the topic of the thread, and everyone else refuses to engage with said person on said topic, regardless of length?

[ChrysOCE]

So, will you take me up on posting about 2-3 of Zepla's points you found interesting so we could discuss those?

It has been brought up. EW has no long lasting content to keep people engaged. This wasn't Zepla's point but: We have to keep going back to previous expansions to find content. Dawntrail looks to be more of the same of EW.

So, maybe you can answer it. What, in EW (and, looking forward, DT), is long lasting content that will keep players who are current (ie not still progressing through MSQ and unlocking prior expansion content), engaged and logging in on a regular basis. What is there, for veteran players, to be excited about?

[Rolder50]

It has been brought up. EW has no long lasting content to keep people engaged. This wasn't Zepla's point but: We have to keep going back to previous expansions to find content. Dawntrail looks to be more of the same of EW.

So, maybe you can answer it. What, in EW (and, looking forward, DT), is long lasting content that will keep players who are current (ie not still progressing through MSQ and unlocking prior expansion content), engaged and logging in on a regular basis. What is there, for veteran players, to be excited about?

I second this guy's question.

[Swordsman]

I second this guy's question.

Third. I honestly don't think we're gonna hear many good answers, though.

[Amenara]

So, maybe you can answer it. What, in EW (and, looking forward, DT), is long lasting content that will keep players who are current (ie not still progressing through MSQ and unlocking prior expansion content), engaged and logging in on a regular basis. What is there, for veteran players, to be excited about?

I'd have to look up the source again since it was right after fanfest, but I remember there being an interview with Yoshida where he talked about wanting to continue variant/criterion, do exploratory zone content again, and come up with a new battle system in DT alongside thinking about doing another DD. So there is potential in DT for repeatable stuff to do assuming they follow through with everything.

[ChrysOCE]

I'd have to look up the source again since it was right after fanfest, but I remember there being an interview with Yoshida where he talked about wanting to continue variant/criterion, do exploratory zone content again, and come up with a new battle system in DT alongside thinking about doing another DD. So there is potential in DT for repeatable stuff to do assuming they follow through with everything.

Yea, I remember that (the exploratory zone), though I am betting we would need to wait till patch content, so... I don't know.. 18+ (more??) months away? The V/C stuff, I just don't think that's long term engaging content. To me, it's just dungeon runs, that you do a few times. Once you have what you want, which could be just 12 runs to get the mount, there's just feels like no longevity or reason to go back. Even releasing multiple, there's just no reason to re-do the prior ones. And, so far, there's nothing linking them together in an over-arching way. There's nothing for crafters/gatherers (its not like you need either to do IS).
For me, I just wish they had made Garlemald an exploratory zone and given us a Diadem 2.0 (somewhere new). Why is the Garlemald restoration happening off screen? And I don't think it's valid to say, well, its not like they had Firmament for HW. No, but EW isn't their 1st expansion either.

[Amenara]

Yea, I remember that (the exploratory zone), though I am betting we would need to wait till patch content, so... I don't know.. 18+ (more??) months away? The V/C stuff, I just don't think that's long term engaging content. To me, it's just dungeon runs, that you do a few times. Once you have what you want, which could be just 12 runs to get the mount, there's just feels like no longevity or reason to go back. Even releasing multiple, there's just no reason to re-do the prior ones. And, so far, there's nothing linking them together in an over-arching way. There's nothing for crafters/gatherers (its not like you need either to do IS).
For me, I just wish they had made Garlemald an exploratory zone and given us a Diadem 2.0 (somewhere new). Why is the Garlemald restoration happening off screen? And I don't think it's valid to say, well, its not like they had Firmament for HW. No, but EW isn't their 1st expansion either.

I don't disagree at all with your points, though I think the beginning of a new expansion is when you need a new bozja style area the least as that is when you are most likely going to be leveling all of the classes and trying out the new classes. I am in the bandwagon of SE needing to give variant/criterions a purpose outside of do it once for the story/mount and it would have been a great place to tie the relic into. Crafters and Gatherers would be nice to have a new restoration and diadem zone to give them something to do, but at the same time it's not something I think about too much as they are just my jobs I do enough on to make gear or make a little money on the side. I never really got too deep on diadem and Ishgard.

ARR and HW were both very barebones in terms of their offerings, and neither would satisfy the current playerbase. HW's big innovation was Deep Dungeons, and the rest was just the standard dungeon/trial/raid format.

For ARR everything was new, you had all of the jobs to try out and level which took a bit longer back in the day to do and there were a lot of level cap dungeons to explore compared to what we get nowadays. HW also had original diadem which I can't really comment on other than it existing since I was on a break then.

[ChrysOCE]

I don't disagree at all with your points, though I think the beginning of a new expansion is when you need a new bozja style area the least as that is when you are most likely going to be leveling all of the classes and trying out the new classes. I am in the bandwagon of SE needing to give variant/criterions a purpose outside of do it once for the story/mount and it would have been a great place to tie the relic into. Crafters and Gatherers would be nice to have a new restoration and diadem zone to give them something to do, but at the same time it's not something I think about too much as they are just my jobs I do enough on to make gear or make a little money on the side. I never really got too deep on diadem and Ishgard.

Yea, still. It's a long time to wait, for some actual... i don't know.. MMO activity, without it being solo or the usual dungeon/trial/raid stuff. and that's still not a definite on the exploratory zone. My single biggest gripe is just the direction - the solo stuff and the super casualization of regular content, the inbalance in ilvl sync (being way to generous). Well, that and communication (hello, Yoshi, what are your plans to help Materia?? we do exist, you gave us a DC, but just left us isolated)

[Amenara]

Yea, still. It's a long time to wait, for some actual... i don't know.. MMO activity, without it being solo or the usual dungeon/trial/raid stuff. and that's still not a definite on the exploratory zone. My single biggest gripe is just the direction - the solo stuff and the super casualization of regular content, the inbalance in ilvl sync (being way to generous). Well, that and communication (hello, Yoshi, what are your plans to help Materia?? we do exist, you gave us a DC, but just left us isolated)

I am with you on the critique to making the MMO more solo oriented, but that is the path that SE has chosen for FF14 and I really don't see us being able to do anything to change that with all of the resources that have already been spent on changing the leveling experience to accommodate it. We can only hope that they pull the trigger on cross region DC travel as I remember SE saying it is possible but they aren't sure if they want to do it as Materia is struggling, though I don't know how excited I would be if more DCs started congregating on Aether to do things, though part of me doubts to what extent that would even occur.

Even after EW I am still cautiously optimistic about DT being able to keep me motivated to play with what has been hinted at so far.

[ZephyrMenodora]

True.

So, will you take me up on posting about 2-3 of Zepla's points you found interesting so we could discuss those?

Again, attack my post length all you want - I'm the only person actually talking about Zepla's arguments. How should we, as a forum, interpret the fact that there is only one person in this thread actually talking about the topic of the thread, and everyone else refuses to engage with said person on said topic, regardless of length?

I think I discussed what I found interesting 70 or 80 pages ago now. But I am curious what others want to talk about.