Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[BRVV]

The preface he started with wasn't his. It was Zepla's own preface - but he cut it down in size.

Ren and I will both get "wordy" at times but it's probably because we have a different educational background from most here in the forums. I was taught to be detailed in my arguments. Evidently the generation raised on social media can't handle that.

It is what it is. It doesn't help that we're generally on opposite sides of the fence in a discussion, which makes them even less interested in trying to understand the other's point of view.

I could hit 200 words each post easily with that much gaslighting

[Jojoya]

I could hit 200 words each post easily with that much gaslighting

Challenge for you - pull up Zepla's video and watch it again. Put Ren's post to the side so you can compare.

Which is the long winded one?

different educational background lmaoooooooo

I went to school in the 70s. When did you?

Trust me, the education system these days is very different from what it was for my generation. Ask your parents or your grandparents.

[Theodric]

I went to school in the 70s. When did you?

Trust me, the education system these days is very different from what it was for my generation. Ask your parents or your grandparents.

I think that's quite the stretch. You don't really know anything about individual posters that you're making assumptions about in terms of their age, education level and which country they were raised in.

To say nothing of the fact that there's plenty of individuals who are essentially 'self taught' and pretty intelligent/eloquent despite not having a piece of paper from a fancy university.

It's also a video game at the end of the day, so a lot of people deliberately don't treat discussion of it as something to take extremely seriously absolutely all of the time. Especially when there's a historic trend of silence from the community representatives who - in an ideal world - would be active participants in the discussions themselves.

[PaulH]

I think that's quite the stretch. You don't really know anything about individual posters that you're making assumptions about in terms of their age, education level and which country they were raised in.

To say nothing of the fact that there's plenty of individuals who are essentially 'self taught' and pretty intelligent/eloquent despite not having a piece of paper from a fancy university.

It's also a video game at the end of the day, so a lot of people deliberately don't treat discussion of it as something to take extremely seriously absolutely all of the time. Especially when there's a historic trend of silence from the community representatives who - in an ideal world - would be active participants in the discussions themselves.

Please stop making me nod in agreement and I do like your very articulated and considered responses as I have mentioned before, please try and refrain from taking forum breaks

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Meanwhile a streamer I don't watch caused a forum post, so listened to it along with the the follow up. She has an opinion which is as valid as anyone else, whilst a streamer and making a living from it I did take that into consideration whilst drawing my conclusions. I agreed with some of what she said it and disagreed on other points she mentioned. When this game based on my own personal measure of simply when the fun stops, stop. Now Theodric doesn't share my love of G'raha in fact I would say the very opposite, won't speak for him though, but doesn't stop me reading his thoughts and considering his perspective to keep myself informed and see another view and always in the spirit of good banter. In fact if we chatted about at e.g. fanfest, it would be a great conversation and I would part from it having had a good chat.

I do hope though very unlikely that these posts do cause some conversation and debate back in HQ and with those specifically involved in the game, though any outcomes are impossible to please all parties I suppose.

[Theodric]

Please stop making me nod in agreement and I do like your very articulated and considered responses as I have mentioned before, please try and refrain from taking forum breaks

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Meanwhile a streamer I don't watch caused a forum post, so listened to it along with the the follow up. She has an opinion which is as valid as anyone else and whilst a streamer is making a living I take that into consideration whilst drawing my conclusion. I agreed with some of what she said it, disagreed on others. When this game based on my own personal measure of when the fun stops, stop. Now Theodric doesn't share my love of G'raha in fact I would say the very opposite, won't speak for him though, but doesn't stop me reading his thoughts and considering his perspective to keep myself informed and see another view and always in the spirit of good banter. In fact if we chatted about it say at fanfest, it would be a great conversation and I would part having had a good chat.

I do hope thought very unlikely that these posts do cause some conversation and debate back in HQ and with those specifically involved in the game, though any outcomes are impossible to please all parties I suppose.

Hah, I appreciate it! I take a similar approach - I like to understand where different people are coming from and find some way of compromising/appealing to a broader range of personal tastes.

I'll likely be continuing to post for the foreseeable future given that I need to log on often enough to not lose my house. I can't rely on the demolition timer being paused now!

As for Fan Fest, I've no plans to attend one unless the game improves dramatically and did something very much to my personal tastes such as giving us an Ivalice themed expansion or something focused on Garlemald (as unlikely as that is now) but I did go to a Distant Worlds concert a few years back in London.

[BRVV]

Challenge for you - pull up Zepla's video and watch it again. Put Ren's post to the side so you can compare.

Which is the long winded one?


I went to school in the 70s. When did you?

Trust me, the education system these days is very different from what it was for my generation. Ask your parents or your grandparents.

I know. You would know that i know if you would have read my long post but i guess you are not interested in that discussion. Never talking about the topic you claim to want to discuss

[OgruMogru]

Challenge for you - pull up Zepla's video and watch it again. Put Ren's post to the side so you can compare.

Which is the long winded one?


I went to school in the 70s. When did you?

Trust me, the education system these days is very different from what it was for my generation. Ask your parents or your grandparents.

Ok boomer.

[Zairava]

Challenge for you - pull up Zepla's video and watch it again. Put Ren's post to the side so you can compare.

Which is the long winded one?

It's easier to watch or listen to someone say it than it is to read it. Different people absorb information in different ways. Some it's better reading, some are better auditory. This is some of the most basic understanding you can have.

The bigger point is that this is an internet forum, seeing a gigantic wall of text that can be summarized with the point made much shorter makes people not want to read it, especially when it's a constant. We're aren't here to read booklets overexplaining something that's brutally overanalyzed and gets us nowhere.

I went to school in the 70s. When did you?

Trust me, the education system these days is very different from what it was for my generation. Ask your parents or your grandparents.

I try to not do this in a response, and if I do I usually edit it out or modify it in hindsight, but I'll just be blunt here. Literally no one cares, what years you went to school is completely irrelevant. Age is not an indicator of anything except how old you are. It does not bring wisdom, it does not by default mean you are more intelligent or better at anything as age on its own does not provide such, experience does.

Things changing in education and with the times is nothing new and is inevitable.

[Vahlnir]

Challenge for you - pull up Zepla's video and watch it again. Put Ren's post to the side so you can compare.

Which is the long winded one?

It could take less time to read Ren's posts, yeah. That doesn't mean that everyone has the desire to. Personally, I can enjoy a lengthy read so long as I'm not trying to navigate some pretty serious mental gymnastics or if there's actually a point to be made. I'm not talking about Ren specifically there, only in general. Still, that is comparing apples to oranges. The arguments that both of them have put out there are nothing alike.