Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Striker44]

Certainly haven't seen anyone actually refuting the points with saying that EW content is long-lasting and well designed. Just insults, derailing or trying to argue that players (either brand new or still progressing through MSQ) have lots of content to do, so there are no issues - which was never the point of the video or the discontent that those, who share the view, feel.

I think the issue is there would first need to be points to refute. I just see a bunch of subjective opinions that anyone can freely agree or disagree with alongside claims that are likewise questionable. For example, comments like "it's the same stuff over and over" or "we need an exploration zone" - people can just as easily enjoy exactly what the "same stuff" is and dislike exploration zones. There's nothing to "refute" there, just our own personal likes and dislikes.

Then you have comments like "My FC is pretty dead" and "content lasts for only 3 days". That may well be true for the individuals posting it, but not for others. My FC is very alive, for example, and when a new patch releases, it usually takes me about 3-4 weeks to gradually play through the new MSQ, Raid/Alliance Raid quests, sidequests like Tataru, etc.. And once that's done, I go back to the proverbial laundry list of other things I'm still looking forward to trying or finishing (finally got my last ARR relic on NIN a week or so ago).

So, I think most of it is that there really aren't any points to "refute", just someone offering personal opinions that anyone can freely agree or disagree with. Sadly, given the history of this forum, I'd say the rest of it is that even if there were things to refute, people could clearly and thoroughly do so, and certain others on here would just willfully ignore those posts and then continue to claim nobody has refuted anything.

[ChrysOCE]

I think the issue is there would first need to be points to refute. I just see a bunch of subjective opinions that anyone can freely agree or disagree with alongside claims that are likewise questionable. For example, comments like "it's the same stuff over and over" or "we need an exploration zone" - people can just as easily enjoy exactly what the "same stuff" is and dislike exploration zones. There's nothing to "refute" there, just our own personal likes and dislikes.

Then you have comments like "My FC is pretty dead" and "content lasts for only 3 days". That may well be true for the individuals posting it, but not for others. My FC is very alive, for example, and when a new patch releases, it usually takes me about 3-4 weeks to gradually play through the new MSQ, Raid/Alliance Raid quests, sidequests like Tataru, etc.. And once that's done, I go back to the proverbial laundry list of other things I'm still looking forward to trying or finishing (finally got my last ARR relic on NIN a week or so ago).

So, I think most of it is that there really aren't any points to "refute", just someone offering personal opinions that anyone can freely agree or disagree with. Sadly, given the history of this forum, I'd say the rest of it is that even if there were things to refute, people could clearly and thoroughly do so, and certain others on here would just willfully ignore those posts and then continue to claim nobody has refuted anything.

Ok so, just for you, you say complete in 3-4 weeks. What content in EW holds over for 2-3 months? What content is going to hold over for 6.5-7.0? And you say, once you have done that, you point to a proverbial laundry list of stuff... from previous expansions?! That's what is being argued! There's nothing to hold long term interest in EW so, for people who are current, we either have to go back to previous expansions to find content or we just hang about or we just not login. The game design in EW patches has been sub-par and, my personal view, nothing seen yet (and yes, understand early days) in DT speaks to any real kind of change of course.

[Striker44]

Ok so, just for you, you say complete in 3-4 weeks. What content in EW holds over for 2-3 months? What content is going to hold over for 6.5-7.0? And you say, once you have done that, you point to a proverbial laundry list of stuff... from previous expansions?! That's what is being argued! There's nothing to hold long term interest in EW so, for people who are current, we either have to go back to previous expansions to find content or we just hang about or we just not login. The game design in EW patches has been sub-par and, my personal view, nothing seen yet (and yes, understand early days) in DT speaks to any real kind of change of course.

See, thank you for proving my point. This is why you don't get useful feedback, because you either just ignore it, attack the people providing it, or stuff lies in people's mouths and then attack them for it. For the record, my "laundry list" also includes the latest Variant Dungeon and Island Sanctuary, both of which are from EW and which I haven't started yet. I didn't even think about the new deep dungeon. But hey, I happened to pick one particular thing that's from a past expansion, and you immediately claim that's my entire list and then try to jump down my throat for it...and then you wonder why the doomsayers on this forum are ignored by anyone who actually matters (i.e. the dev team).

[BaconBits]

Of all the things going on in here, Jojoya getting ragdolled along with Renathras was definitely one of them lmao.

[Supersnow845]

Of all the things going on in here, Jojoya getting ragdolled along with Renathras was definitely one of them lmao.

To be fair jojoya generally holds opinions that I don’t agree with but is mostly respectful, but defending quite possibly the longest post I have ever seen of ren’s with “we are just smarter than you” was always going to be a recipe to get dogpilled

[Jojoya]

Things changing in education and with the times is nothing new and is inevitable.

Exactly.

Not sure why anyone took offense at my use of the word "different". Different doesn't mean bad, inferior, or anything negative. It just means different.

Was it the comment about social media? In my experience, there is truth in it. Perhaps someone else's experience is different. Again, different. Not bad, not inferior. Just different.

If you can accept that others are different with different experiences, different opinions and different ways of doing things, it's fairly easy to get along.

Unfortunately, there are a handful of posters here that are all too happy to immediately attack others who are different or who don't share the same opinion instead of saying "I disagree" and moving on. Human nature being what it is, those attacked eventually respond in kind. We get these threads blowing up into 100+ pages of nothing constructive because people would rather engage in mudslinging than discussion.

To be fair jojoya generally holds opinions that I don’t agree with but is mostly respectful, but defending quite possibly the longest post I have ever seen of ren’s with “we are just smarter than you” was always going to be a recipe to get dogpilled

Which is not what I said at all. It's like people were looking for an excuse to get offended.

After most my points fit more into derailing, i present you my take ... that has almost nothing to do with Zepla's video...

What i miss is things to do for the hardcore players, even though i am not one of them. I see people in my FC taking breaks or quitting entirely because they have nothing to do. The other things are longer time between patches and the predictability.

If the next deep dungeon is just gonna be another PotD with another animal transformation than what is the point? They seem to get too save with all of these. Like running the checklist.

In contrast we have new stuff like IS and VD/CD. Little rewards and no (big) group content... meh.

I personally would love a creative mode. A dungeon creator or something. Just look at Minecraft, Little Big Planet and so on. The devs of those games made the individual elements while the players create their own game. I feel like something in this direction will be good for FFXIV, because:

• We don't need big rewards for a creative mode: the mode itself - like creating dungeons and running them or make your own village IS the reward, therefore no fomo
• It provides something different to MSQ or Raids etc that always need writers and events and gear you can get... so it hopefully needs less dev time in the long run
• It can expand the "themepark mmo" idea even more

Out of curiosity, what is bad about having nothing to do FFXIV? It means an opportunity to play a different game.

I've got friends that frequently bring up their backlog of games they want to get to. They appreciate being able to take a break from FFXIV to play those other games.

As for a creative mode, it's why I would love to see the housing system overhauled. We're pretty limited here compared to what some other games have offered.

When it comes to dungeons, I think that would be more complicated to accomplish here than in Minecraft and similar games (I'm familiar with dungeon creation in Trove). I'm not sure it could be pulled off in a way that would be satisficing for both creators and users.

[Supersnow845]

Exactly.

Not sure why anyone took offense at my use of the word "different". Different doesn't mean bad, inferior, or anything negative. It just means different.

Was it the comment about social media? In my experience, there is truth in it. Perhaps someone else's experience is different. Again, different. Not bad, not inferior. Just different.

If you can accept that others are different with different experiences, different opinions and different ways of doing things, it's fairly easy to get along.

Unfortunately, there are a handful of posters here that are all too happy to immediately attack others who are different or who don't share the same opinion instead of saying "I disagree" and moving on. Human nature being what it is, those attacked eventually respond in kind. We get these threads blowing up into 100+ pages of nothing constructive because people would rather engage in mudslinging than discussion.


Which is not what I said at all. It's like people were looking for an excuse to get offended.

“We have different educations, standards were different back then”

Nah bro I’m totally not saying I’m just smarter than you

Don’t try to pretend that 70’s education valued long form commentary over knowing what the word synopsis means, you just wanted a thinly veiled way to say you are better than us

[BRVV]

Out of curiosity, what is bad about having nothing to do FFXIV? It means an opportunity to play a different game.

I've got friends that frequently bring up their backlog of games they want to get to. They appreciate being able to take a break from FFXIV to play those other games.

As for a creative mode, it's why I would love to see the housing system overhauled. We're pretty limited here compared to what some other games have offered.

When it comes to dungeons, I think that would be more complicated to accomplish here than in Minecraft and similar games (I'm familiar with dungeon creation in Trove). I'm not sure it could be pulled off in a way that would be satisficing for both creators and users.

Nothing is wrong with that. I would just assume SE wouldn't play assist on that and about the creative modes... yeah they would probably need a few patches to get a version that is liked by the community but they should still try.

[AlexiaD]

Exactly.

Not sure why anyone took offense at my use of the word "different". Different doesn't mean bad, inferior, or anything negative. It just means different.

Was it the comment about social media? In my experience, there is truth in it. Perhaps someone else's experience is different. Again, different. Not bad, not inferior. Just different.

If you can accept that others are different with different experiences, different opinions and different ways of doing things, it's fairly easy to get along.

Unfortunately, there are a handful of posters here that are all too happy to immediately attack others who are different or who don't share the same opinion instead of saying "I disagree" and moving on. Human nature being what it is, those attacked eventually respond in kind. We get these threads blowing up into 100+ pages of nothing constructive because people would rather engage in mudslinging than discussion.


Which is not what I said at all. It's like people were looking for an excuse to get offended.


Out of curiosity, what is bad about having nothing to do FFXIV? It means an opportunity to play a different game.

I've got friends that frequently bring up their backlog of games they want to get to. They appreciate being able to take a break from FFXIV to play those other games.

As for a creative mode, it's why I would love to see the housing system overhauled. We're pretty limited here compared to what some other games have offered.

When it comes to dungeons, I think that would be more complicated to accomplish here than in Minecraft and similar games (I'm familiar with dungeon creation in Trove). I'm not sure it could be pulled off in a way that would be satisficing for both creators and users.

Out of curiosity, what is bad about having nothing to do FFXIV? It means an opportunity to play a different game.

[Vahlnir]

Of all the things going on in here, Jojoya getting ragdolled along with Renathras was definitely one of them lmao.

I'm guessing both of their next series of posts are about to get particularly spicy.