Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Renathras]

Zepla is right, the community cannot take ANY criticism about 14 at all. On the main subreddit an hour ago I said that 14 was falling behind the other big MMO's like GW2 and WoW and that comment is sitting at -13 votes right now.

I think it's often less what you say and how you say it, and this isn't a "FFXIV community" thing, it's a Human thing.

"I think you might get better reactions from people if you attempt to enhance your personal presentation."
vs
"GOD you stink! Have you showered...ever? My nose is offended by your very presence. You disgust me, you slob! And what's with those clothes? Have you never heard of an iron, washing machine, or style in your life? Maybe if you weren't such a sack of trash, people would give you the time of day!"

Both are essentially saying the same thing, but one is VERY likely not to be taken as an honest attempt at critique and helping. I saw someone in FFXIVdiscussion saying how they were just honestly critiquing the game in the mainsub but were attacked for it. When the folks in Discussion asked for them to link to the thread they got downvoted, the person got evasive, refused to say it, then deleted their posts. The going take on the Discussion sub was that the person likely was kind of a dick in their OP and didn't want people to tell them that might be why they got the downvotes, not the critiques themselves, and the person ended up deleting the threads/posts rather than face the fact that it was how they were saying things - basically being insulting and a jerk to everyone - not what they were saying.

Very often, we think we're saying things in a way that is neutral and fair, but people don't take it that way. Part of this is just a downside of text communication, but sometimes it is people being kind of...dicks. And then shocked when people mouth off to them in return.

[Stormpeaks]

I think it's often less what you say and how you say it, and this isn't a "FFXIV community" thing, it's a Human thing.

"I think you might get better reactions from people if you attempt to enhance your personal presentation."
vs
"GOD you stink! Have you showered...ever? My nose is offended by your very presence. You disgust me, you slob! And what's with those clothes? Have you never heard of an iron, washing machine, or style in your life? Maybe if you weren't such a sack of trash, people would give you the time of day!"

Both are essentially saying the same thing, but one is VERY likely not to be taken as an honest attempt at critique and helping. I saw someone in FFXIVdiscussion saying how they were just honestly critiquing the game in the mainsub but were attacked for it. When the folks in Discussion asked for them to link to the thread they got downvoted, the person got evasive, refused to say it, then deleted their posts. The going take on the Discussion sub was that the person likely was kind of a dick in their OP and didn't want people to tell them that might be why they got the downvotes, not the critiques themselves, and the person ended up deleting the threads/posts rather than face the fact that it was how they were saying things - basically being insulting and a jerk to everyone - not what they were saying.

Very often, we think we're saying things in a way that is neutral and fair, but people don't take it that way. Part of this is just a downside of text communication, but sometimes it is people being kind of...dicks. And then shocked when people mouth off to them in return.

tldr

"she said something i dont like so she deserves it"

moving on

[FenyxRising]

I think someone doesn't have friends who bantered with him.

"GOD you stink! Have you showered...ever? My nose is offended by your very presence. You disgust me, you slob! And what's with those clothes? Have you never heard of an iron, washing machine, or style in your life? Maybe if you weren't such a sack of trash, people would give you the time of day!"

This is over the top that actually, everyone, I mean everyone, would take it as a joke.

[Stormpeaks]

I think someone doesn't have friends who bantered with him.

Or maybe after doing a little joke, they pampered him and gave him some good headpats to make sure they were okay and that it didnt hurt their feelings

"GOD you stink! Have you showered...ever? My nose is offended by your very presence. You disgust me, you slob! And what's with those clothes? Have you never heard of an iron, washing machine, or style in your life? Maybe if you weren't such a sack of trash, people would give you the time of day!"

Are you good bro ?

[Theodric]

I think it's often less what you say and how you say it, and this isn't a "FFXIV community" thing, it's a Human thing.

I don't think so. At least not in relation to FFXIV, since very vocal elements of the community are notorious for throwing absolutely anything and everything at someone critical of the game in an effort to intimidate or silence them. Multiple people have brought this up throughout this very thread, revealing that they and/or someone they know have been the target of credible threats of harm. It's alarmingly common.

Even not accounting for the threats, another common tactic is deflection. Post a source? A reason will be conjured up as to why it's 'wrong' even if it's a direct quote from the game itself. Tone and subject policing is very common. Quite a lot of posters - who are known to be exceedingly emotional or aggressive in their own posts - will often attempt to insinuate that there's something wrong with the individual they're engaging with in an effort to pass them off as hysterical or unhinged. We've seen this at play in this very thread, I believe, when a certain poster attempted to police the facial expressions of a content creator.

I've posted around these parts for quite some time. Particularly in recent years - and conveniently aligning with the game's major problems reaching critical mass - the backlash against criticism even when perfectly polite and constructive has become rather intense.

It's also a game that encourages people to self insert so there's a bunch of players who treat liking or disliking the 'wrong' characters as the worst sin known to man.

[Blossoming]

I don't think so. At least not in relation to FFXIV, since very vocal elements of the community are notorious for throwing absolutely anything and everything at someone critical of the game in an effort to intimidate or silence them. Multiple people have brought this up throughout this very thread, revealing that they and/or someone they know have been the target of credible threats of harm. It's alarmingly common.

Even not accounting for the threats, another common tactic is deflection. Post a source? A reason will be conjured up as to why it's 'wrong' even if it's a direct quote from the game itself. Tone and subject policing is very common. Quite a lot of posters - who are known to be exceedingly emotional or aggressive in their own posts - will often attempt to insinuate that there's something wrong with the individual they're engaging with in an effort to pass them off as hysterical or unhinged. We've seen this at play in this very thread, I believe, when a certain poster attempted to police the facial expressions of a content creator.

I've posted around these parts for quite some time. Particularly in recent years - and conveniently aligning with the game's major problems reaching critical mass - the backlash against criticism even when perfectly polite and constructive has become rather intense.

It's also a game that encourages people to self insert so there's a bunch of players who treat liking or disliking the 'wrong' characters as the worst sin known to man.

Yes I got called a misandrist for calling them out about those comments. A lot of people end up just devaluing her because "She's just annoying, her face, opinions, etc" When most people forget we have a large community because of people like her.