Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[CStrife912]

We already know the patch cycle to a T

6.5 late September/October- most of the rest of the story, last dungeon, trial and alliance raid
6.55 January- last V/C dungeon, tiny bit more story
7.0 late summer

So by April it will be 6 months since 6.5 (I barely even count 6.55 as a patch here compared to 5.55 that gave us Zadnor or 4.55 which gave us hydatos) and about 4 months till 7.0, if you are super generous and call 6.55 a patch it’ll still be 7 months from 6.55 to 7.0 and at the time of 6.5 releasing it’ll be 4.5-5 months since 6.4

So yes there will be periods of 6 months between patches and what is being offered between now and 7.0 is frankly embarrassing

I think October 3rd is the date of 6.5 going off of the live letter announcement for part 2. I believe V/C and crafter/gatherer relic are 6.51 this time and battle and whatever else the 6.55 so this patch layout is a little different. Comparing to other X.5 patches there isn’t really much difference outside of the other 2 expansions having the exploration zone and relic being tied to them. Granted that did artificially inflate playtime though so il give you that and also you wrote late summer it’s just summer for now it could be whenever in there so don’t make something up that we don’t know.

For me personally there is so much I want to play I’m glad 14 isn’t going to fight for my time in that regard till Dawntrail lol but I obviously wish people had the avenues of engagement for the long term.

[MintnHoney]

Because they are well aware of the gap and will have made a contingency plan for that eventuality? They do plan ahead you know.

You're right. Prepare for even more Mogtomes, because they do have a contingency plan for whenever they don't have anything else.
At least you'll be able to grind out all those Gold Saucer items.
Oh, but, grinding is bad.
...Right...

[VelKallor]

You're right. Prepare for even more Mogtomes, because they do have a contingency plan for whenever they don't have anything else.
At least you'll be able to grind out all those Gold Saucer items.
Oh, but, grinding is bad.
...Right...

You dont know that any more than i do, the difference between us is that fact I dont automatically believe or adopt the worst case scenario. I dont assume the worst all the damned time,. and I sure as HELL am glad I dont share your totally negative attitude.

[MintnHoney]

You dont know that any more than i do

Then why do you think I'm wrong, but you're somehow right, despite that you admit that you know just as little as I do?
The real difference between us is that you're quick to judge self-righteously and dismiss me for being "totally negative" as you basically stick your head in the sand, meanwhile I'm just giving Squeen the credit they deserve for their past performance (see also: every patch cycle where there has been a significant lull between release dates of either patches or the expansion. What do these times have in common? You guessed it! Mogtomes).

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The Dawntrail waiting room is probably gonna be the most trying era of modern XIV. ~8 months, hope you all have something planned to occupy you because I sure as hell don't.

Are you just talking about FFXIV, or in General?
Either way, I think Im pretty set.

Since I dont religiously play FFXIV and ALL of its content, I got plenty to do and catchup on.

Then there is IRL stuff to do.
Take a lil break to try out some other games. Come back for the patch updates....yeah I think time will fly by for me personally.

Thats just me though.

And hey, if they got some good rewards, Ill look foreword to the next Moogletrove event as well.
I liked this one, grinded out 330 for lots of things.

[Supersnow845]

Then why do you think I'm wrong, but you're somehow right, despite that you admit that you know just as little as I do?
The real difference between us is that you're quick to judge self-righteously and dismiss me for being "totally negative" as you basically stick your head in the sand, meanwhile I'm just giving Squeen the credit they deserve for their past performance (see also: every patch cycle where there has been a significant lull between release dates of either patches or the expansion. What do these times have in common? You guessed it! Mogtomes).

Classic vel, neither of us know (you have powerful circumstantial evidence and I don’t) so until we know let’s treat my opinion as right and yours as wrong

Great chat

[Amh_Wilzuun]

The responses in this thread are just embarrassing, very GCBTW.

Endwalker is objectively the worst expansion patch content wise up there with the first half of HW. I don’t even know how you could argue this point. I do like parts of island santuary, hildi, and the deep dungeon, but if we get another expac with a non existent relic series and a lack of midcore large scale endgame content it would be a bad situation. I think it says a lot that people are hoping that the Dawntrail is different from Endwalker.

I have just been keeping up with content out of obligation in hopes that DT will be better tbh

[GoatOfWar]

The problem with the “take breaks” argument is between the launch of legacy and now I’ve spent more time on break than I have playing the game and I still notice how bad EW is for this problem

If “take breaks” was a valid argument then I would be able to come back in 8 months from now and have more content then 1 more hilariously undertuned alliance raid, 1 more variant dungeon that dies the day it releases and 2 hours of story

The right word people are looking for is hiatus, because even if you stop playing for half a year and come back, there's little to no content to play through.
We're not burned out, we're bored.

[Runeslayer]

I'm going to ignore the sheer tomfoolery that's steered away from healthy discussion and just throw in my two cents.

I really like this game, I want to see it succeed, and I want more of a reason to engage with it for longer periods of time, I pay $15 a month to access it. This however is hard to do in Endwalker when most of the content seems almost deliberately designed to be one and done, clearing it out in a few weeks at best. Regardless of what you think of Zepla, or her status as a streamer, I agree with quite a few of her complaints and think that there is merit in meaningfully discussing it.

I do think the relic weapon being done through tomestones was a terrible decision and goes against one of the core reasons the feature exists in the first place while simultaneously ridding the game of something that can really hold players over during the patches (And before anyone makes the burnout or FOMO complaint, you can always go back and do the relics at any time, and probably EASIER than release). I do think that some of the better designed content released lacks the staying power it would have with older expansions, and that they did not think the itemization through enough to keep people interested. I do think the story they decided to tell for the patch MSQ, while nice and nostalgic for ff4 players, has become kind of a slog and I just want it to be over; I was actually far more interested in pandaemonium's story than the MSQ.

These are just a few things I hope they keep in mind going forward to dawntrail. FF14 makes a killing for square, invest that money back in the game to see it is taken care of and improved as they've been doing for 7.0

[Amenara]

The Dawntrail waiting room is probably gonna be the most trying era of modern XIV. ~8 months, hope you all have something planned to occupy you because I sure as hell don't.

Eh, I don't think the wait between 6.55 and 7.0 will be any worse than the wait between 5.55 and 6.0. Was almost 7 months from the end of ShB till EW launching and going by a January 6.55 release and assuming July release of DT will be a similar wait.

Take a lil break to try out some other games. Come back for the patch updates....yeah I think time will fly by for me personally.

I honestly agree, the best answer is to unsub for almost a year until about a week until DT drops and take a few hours to knock out all of patch 6.5 and 6.55 content.