Take a page from League of Legends for PVP

[IDontPetLalas]

There's not enough people doing it in the first place. The queue would not take 'a bit longer', it would either never fire or lead to uneven matches.

Matchmaking filters break down with populations as small as the PVP base here. Always have, always will.

Agreed. Even in a PVP game, if the PVP population gets below a critical mass, then the queue system can really suffer, depending upon the design that's used for matching. In one game that I played , queues opened at specific time points during the day for certain types of matches , if people didn't queue within as a premade or within the first minute of the queue starting, it wasn't unusual for the queue to last at least half an hour OR for it not to pop.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Playing Exoprimal kind of made me think a PvP mode similar to that game would probably hit well here. Instead of traditional PvP it's like a PvEvP mostly where both teams are separated and racing to complete a series of PvE objectives. The game does have actual PvP in it but it's not the core of the gameplay as actual PvP tends to only happen during specific final objectives or through use of a pickup that allows a member of the team to appear on the other teams side as a dinosaur and attack them until the time limit expires or they get killed.

As for the existing queuing system. IMO what we have is probably the best option for what we have. On CC I've had nights where I've literally been matched with the same people just shuffled around the teams for hours which to me gives a good indication of periods existing when the pvp population is nearly nonexistent.

Also in order for anything from League of Legends to work properly they'd have to nerf Irelia every patch.

[Anonemoose]

Im not talking about the toxic chat, but the play modes and how it allows groups of friends to queue together.

As far as balance, its all in the matchmaking. Don't put a team of five individuals vs a premade group. Balance them out even if queue takes a bit longer.

Quite frankly PVP would be a lot funner and have more staying power with changes that allowed friends to play together.

Why is it that this MMO insists on solo experiences? People don't want MMOs so they can play alone.... Some of us do have friends SE.....

I want the toxic chat.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Ok poke me if I get it wrong, this is essentially about being able to play with friends in casual CC, yes?

This is a solved issue even for FFXIV, or "was" rather. Prior to 6.1, The Feast Casual Mode was 4v4 but you could pair up with another player when queueing. Now Feast had other issues making queues miserable (forced roles) but playing with a friend was an option and if more was desired, custom games were a thing like now.

What they simply need to do is re-enable that setting for CC. The matchmaker can easily handle duos for team distribution (in case of multiple duos queueing). Yeah there is an inherent risk of 2man armies from Top100 playing on their mains and demolishing by using specific burst setups but those are few and far between.

It's anecdotal, but I have heard of a lot of friends that prefer to play Frontlines or Rival Wings specifically so they don't need to spend their evening solo. In my opinion, it would be healthy to at least test it if not permanently keep it. Ranked should stay solo though.

[MintnHoney]

Some of us do have friends SE.....

Some

Edit:

Also in order for anything from League of Legends to work properly they'd have to nerf Irelia every patch.

This is an acceptable sacrifice, even if it happens in League of Legends itself. No one will even notice anymore, since the focus has been on Ahri, Jinx, Lux, and Seraphine for the past few years anyway.

[Ath192]

Bumping this so devs have another chance of re-reading it.

Only 2 things stand in the way of PVP being good in XIV now.

#1. Netcode
#2. Multiplayer queue options

SE, why go the whole way to redo PVP and not fix the final issues. Please notice.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Bumping this so devs have another chance of re-reading it.

Only 2 things stand in the way of PVP being good in XIV now.

#1. Netcode
#2. Multiplayer queue options

SE, why go the whole way to redo PVP and not fix the final issues. Please notice.

Too much work lol. They need time to make the next hallway overdetailed and with cosmetic side path doors.

[Renalt]

Bumping this so devs have another chance of re-reading it.

Only 2 things stand in the way of PVP being good in XIV now.

#1. Netcode
#2. Multiplayer queue options

SE, why go the whole way to redo PVP and not fix the final issues. Please notice.

A good PvP scene would definitely put me back into focusing on 14 again.

[sindriiisgaming]

Im not talking about the toxic chat, but the play modes and how it allows groups of friends to queue together.

As far as balance, its all in the matchmaking. Don't put a team of five individuals vs a premade group. Balance them out even if queue takes a bit longer.

Quite frankly PVP would be a lot funner and have more staying power with changes that allowed friends to play together.

Why is it that this MMO insists on solo experiences? People don't want MMOs so they can play alone.... Some of us do have friends SE.....

i play frontlines maybe 70% of the time im online with my boyfriend, hes a former league player. and its fascinating he tells me how toxic league is while the frontline chat continously rages as the alliance for a miriad of reasons. hell, sometimes im so lucky i get dmed out of the duty because sm1 didnt like my calls. pvp is already as close to league as it gets

[Ath192]

A good PvP scene would definitely put me back into focusing on 14 again.

I feel like it would help out the game a lot as well. I can see people who play XIV purely for the PVP aspect if it did become good enough to create a decent community around it. Problem is these last two items don't make it worth it to play beyond rewards right now.