I know y'all don't wanna hear this

[technole]

Thancred doesn't give you drama if you wall-to-wall, just grabs all the aggro like it's another day. The trust healers do damage too. So it says a lot when a human snowflake plays worse than say early leveling duty support that doesn't even have job crystals.

[MistakeNot]

If wall-to-wall pulls only shave off a few seconds, then DPS must be extraordinarily low. Before I did w2w pulls (back in ARR), I remember ARR leveling dungeons taking on average 30-40 minutes (maybe more). Now it's typically 16 minutes or less for all dungeons. For low level dungeons, yes, mostly just tanks have AoE but it's still AoE.

30-40 minutes? How?
Even if I (as tank) would take it easy, look at the scenery, and only pull one group at a time, I would be hard pressed to make an ARR dungeon take over 30 minutes.
20-25 minutes is more like it if you take it slow and easy with no rushing at all.

[Jeeqbit]

30-40 minutes? How?
Even if I (as tank) would take it easy, look at the scenery, and only pull one group at a time, I would be hard pressed to make an ARR dungeon take over 30 minutes.
20-25 minutes is more like it if you take it slow and easy with no rushing at all.

Well this was in ARR. ARR was different to the current game. PLD had no AoE below 50. You had to drop cleric stance to heal. So imagine not even tanks having AoE at that level. And with all the potency buffs, stat buffs and changes, additions of tenacity and DH, trait changes, SE didn't care too much about the effect of this on lower level dungeons because they said as much when they added Strength to tank accessories in Stormblood.

But 16 minutes was the average for me for as long as I can remember since I started doing expert roulette with w2w pulls, which was in Heavensward (and the current expert dungeon seems even quicker than that in some parties).

But now if you rush an ARR dungeon it can be ridiculously low. 10 minutes on average, maybe 6 minutes with an amazing party, it can get ridiculous with how the game is now and this is still a big improvement over 20-25 minutes.

[Supersnow845]

I remember in ARR if you didn’t have a class that could refresh TP and you had a TP heavy AOE job (like say SMN and DRG) it was actually optimal for the healer to cast repose on the mobs and then just single target them one by one rather than have the DRG run out of TP halfway through the pull and then be useless

[Bad_Luck]

That's bait.

[Fyrebrand]

W2W pulls and healer DPS in dungeons are very very basic. They are minimum requirements really

Wall to wall is literally the maximum, lol. If you can pull more than that, obviously there isn't a wall.

[Vahlnir]

Wall to wall is literally the maximum, lol. If you can pull more than that, obviously there isn't a wall.

Careful. You might end up breaking the troll.

(Keep going)

[Darkobra]

Speaking of breaking him. Notice how his new class is white mage? And he's saying the tank can't handle wall to wall? If this guy was my healer, I'd absolutely not do wall to wall. I've seen him post bad takes long enough to know he can't play.