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    Quote Originally Posted by FenyxRising View Post
    Why is a middle ground needed at all ? If I see a dreadnaught, I know it's 90% likely going to be good PvP player, and 10% someone who just paid for a boost. Whereas the people in this subforum, some of whom have literally posted in this thread, are going to think "hmm ? dreadnaught ? 90% hacker/cheater/booster, 10% legit" because they're jealous.

    Now you want a replica dreadnaught to be given to these people ? After they think it's just from hacking ? Why exactly do they need it, it's just from hacking after all, surely these people don't actually need it.
    Because the "top 100 = wintrader/cheater" response is parroted mass hysteria that generally circulates in spaces like the forums consisting of large bodies of players who don't actually know bettere whereas the playerbase at large is generally a lot more positive when you tell them what the ownership of thoae rewards means.

    I am thinking about the playerbase at large who isn't spewing vitriol ad nauseam compared to the forum dwellers. More people would benefit from having additional reward structures for playing even if it means taking old Top 100 stuff or recolours of it THAT ARENT having a residence and a bed on a forum page that its a net positive, even if toxic copypasta spammers were to get access as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenyxRising View Post
    Why is a middle ground needed at all ? If I see a dreadnaught, I know it's 90% likely going to be good PvP player, and 10% someone who just paid for a boost. Whereas the people in this subforum, some of whom have literally posted in this thread, are going to think "hmm ? dreadnaught ? 90% hacker/cheater/booster, 10% legit" because they're jealous.

    Now you want a replica dreadnaught to be given to these people ? After they think it's just from hacking ? Why exactly do they need it, it's just from hacking after all, surely these people don't actually need it.
    Honest question, I'm actually curious, do you enjoy seeing people being jealous? Or feeling superior? I'm not quite certain to see the point behind that comment otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Honest question, I'm actually curious, do you enjoy seeing people being jealous? Or feeling superior? I'm not quite certain to see the point behind that comment otherwise.
    Bet 200gil they are masochist and don't actually have any of that stuff and want to remain jealous instead.
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    Anytime in any game this pops up I just always think to myself.

    Everyone funded the development of w/e rewards with them buying the game + subbing, so they should be able to enjoy the stuff made from that money just as equally.

    I got a bunch of transmogs in WoW for example you can't get anymore, I'd happily support them bringing those back for everyone else to enjoy, no need to be selfish.

    Make it a timed exclusive at best, then let everyone get it after x amount of time using currency that's tied to that activity, just straight up petty to want otherwise, and I don't even care about those ugly ass old pvp rewards myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llynethil View Post
    Anytime in any game this pops up I just always think to myself.

    Everyone funded the development of w/e rewards with them buying the game + subbing, so they should be able to enjoy the stuff made from that money just as equally.

    I got a bunch of transmogs in WoW for example you can't get anymore, I'd happily support them bringing those back for everyone else to enjoy, no need to be selfish.

    Make it a timed exclusive at best, then let everyone get it after x amount of time using currency that's tied to that activity, just straight up petty to want otherwise, and I don't even care about those ugly ass old pvp rewards myself.
    Ehhhh... I see where you are coming from with this, but "funding the development by paying sub / buying stuff from mogstation" does not give you a "right" to have access to rewards, that's a privilege at best. What they eventually do with the exclusivity of rewards is for each game's development team to decide. But so far I agree, assuming you at least have to do relevant content that is at least SIMILAR to the original obtaining method, I'd be 100% on board if someone were to get a copy of my armour.
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    No, release them all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    No, release them all.
    Sure, under which obtainment method?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Sure, under which obtainment method?
    I would say perhaps behind the Series? Maybe add in a new currency that you get at the later stages off the pass that over time can be exchanged for a reward. Not much of a PVP'er so I cannot really comment on the system much haha, and I am in no way saying they should make it easy. It should be something people need to work for and feel proud of getting by the end, but as said elsewhere a middle ground can be found and should be. Whilst I like rare cosmetics and stuff, I am against them being unobtainable via time gates and stuff like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    I would say perhaps behind the Series? Maybe add in a new currency that you get at the later stages off the pass that over time can be exchanged for a reward. Not much of a PVP'er so I cannot really comment on the system much haha, and I am in no way saying they should make it easy. It should be something people need to work for and feel proud of getting by the end, but as said elsewhere a middle ground can be found and should be. Whilst I like rare cosmetics and stuff, I am against them being unobtainable via time gates and stuff like that.
    Can see why you say Series, but I'd be hesitant. The series definitely could use some upgrade or at BARE MINIMUM the crystal vendor needs more / better items or an update of such (hello Archfiend armour), however I personally at least would say it is better placed in Ranked - however unlike the meme that is the Augmented Hellhound series, I'd say make a PROPER currency that is available on ALL tiers and those that climb tiers gain more currency (and maybe also make it give some small amount of currency per match won...? you know, like overwatch ranked points).

    I'd be game for more access, but hey might as well encourage people to play Ranked since it is originally from Ranked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Can see why you say Series, but I'd be hesitant. The series definitely could use some upgrade or at BARE MINIMUM the crystal vendor needs more / better items or an update of such (hello Archfiend armour), however I personally at least would say it is better placed in Ranked - however unlike the meme that is the Augmented Hellhound series, I'd say make a PROPER currency that is available on ALL tiers and those that climb tiers gain more currency (and maybe also make it give some small amount of currency per match won...? you know, like overwatch ranked points).

    I'd be game for more access, but hey might as well encourage people to play Ranked since it is originally from Ranked.
    That sounds very fair to me. Heck, I have never touched Rank but if they did somthing like that I would be tempted to give it a try haha.
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