I know y'all don't wanna hear this

[MistakeNot]

But W2W pulls and healer DPS in dungeons are very very basic. They are minimum requirements really, any less and it's unacceptable not to mention you're also making 3 other people's dungeon run far longer. If you can't do it then may I suggest using Duty Support. It's really that simple, Capisce ?

I know you don't wanna hear this, but you are wrong. It is really that simple.
Wall-to-wall pulls are tactically stupid, does not shave more than a few seconds off a run, and really serves little practical purpose other than giving wannabe-elitists something to complain about when other people don't do w2w pulls.
It is especially silly in low-level leveling dungeons when many classes don't even have AoE attacks yet.

[Jeeqbit]

I know you don't wanna hear this, but you are wrong. It is really that simple.
Wall-to-wall pulls are tactically stupid, does not shave more than a few seconds off a run, and really serves little practical purpose other than giving wannabe-elitists something to complain about when other people don't do w2w pulls.
It is especially silly in low-level leveling dungeons when many classes don't even have AoE attacks yet.

If wall-to-wall pulls only shave off a few seconds, then DPS must be extraordinarily low. Before I did w2w pulls (back in ARR), I remember ARR leveling dungeons taking on average 30-40 minutes (maybe more). Now it's typically 16 minutes or less for all dungeons. For low level dungeons, yes, mostly just tanks have AoE but it's still AoE.

[Mcg55ss]

If wall-to-wall pulls only shave off a few seconds, then DPS must be extraordinarily low. Before I did w2w pulls (back in ARR), I remember ARR leveling dungeons taking on average 30-40 minutes (maybe more). Now it's typically 16 minutes or less for all dungeons. For low level dungeons, yes, mostly just tanks have AoE but it's still AoE.

well ARR doesn't have a block every 2-3 packs like most post ARR dungeons, Think this is a reference to majority post ARR dungeons in which W2W is doable its pulling 2 packs so the time saved really is minimal.

[Ivtrix]

well ARR doesn't have a block every 2-3 packs like most post ARR dungeons, Think this is a reference to majority post ARR dungeons in which W2W is doable its pulling 2 packs so the time saved really is minimal.

It really isn’t when dps use cds when both trash packs are stacked. It’s a pretty big timesaver the post above is bending over backwards to downplay.

[MistakeNot]

If wall-to-wall pulls only shave off a few seconds, then DPS must be extraordinarily low. Before I did w2w pulls (back in ARR), I remember ARR leveling dungeons taking on average 30-40 minutes (maybe more). Now it's typically 16 minutes or less for all dungeons. For low level dungeons, yes, mostly just tanks have AoE but it's still AoE.

30-40 minutes? How?
Even if I (as tank) would take it easy, look at the scenery, and only pull one group at a time, I would be hard pressed to make an ARR dungeon take over 30 minutes.
20-25 minutes is more like it if you take it slow and easy with no rushing at all.

[Jeeqbit]

30-40 minutes? How?
Even if I (as tank) would take it easy, look at the scenery, and only pull one group at a time, I would be hard pressed to make an ARR dungeon take over 30 minutes.
20-25 minutes is more like it if you take it slow and easy with no rushing at all.

Well this was in ARR. ARR was different to the current game. PLD had no AoE below 50. You had to drop cleric stance to heal. So imagine not even tanks having AoE at that level. And with all the potency buffs, stat buffs and changes, additions of tenacity and DH, trait changes, SE didn't care too much about the effect of this on lower level dungeons because they said as much when they added Strength to tank accessories in Stormblood.

But 16 minutes was the average for me for as long as I can remember since I started doing expert roulette with w2w pulls, which was in Heavensward (and the current expert dungeon seems even quicker than that in some parties).

But now if you rush an ARR dungeon it can be ridiculously low. 10 minutes on average, maybe 6 minutes with an amazing party, it can get ridiculous with how the game is now and this is still a big improvement over 20-25 minutes.

[Supersnow845]

I remember in ARR if you didn’t have a class that could refresh TP and you had a TP heavy AOE job (like say SMN and DRG) it was actually optimal for the healer to cast repose on the mobs and then just single target them one by one rather than have the DRG run out of TP halfway through the pull and then be useless

[Anonemoose]

I know you don't wanna hear this, but you are wrong. It is really that simple.
Wall-to-wall pulls are tactically stupid, does not shave more than a few seconds off a run, and really serves little practical purpose other than giving wannabe-elitists something to complain about when other people don't do w2w pulls.
It is especially silly in low-level leveling dungeons when many classes don't even have AoE attacks yet.

All of this is factually wrong.