Are you here because you hate WoW or love FF14

[ASkellington]

I'm here because there's no other MMO for me to go to and I found a nice RP group I want to stick with.

When a new MMO comes out with a good holy trinity we'll see if I stick around.

WoW destroyed my class (Shaman) in ways FFXIV destroyed AST. I've no desire to revisit the new Shaman even if I miss my goblin. There are somethings WoW does better (battle content) and there are some things FFXIV does better (story). Both are flawed in ways that people may or may not care as I've outlined before (along with a few other "major" competing MMOs).

Currently I'm holding out for AA2. I have 0 hopes that its going to fix the problems of the first game. Here's to hoping I'm wrong.

[Nebelheim]

Absolutely. Blizzard could take a look at how invested people are into housing, Square could see how many casuals players still like to at least be a bit challenged by the game. Mythic raiders are a minority, but Mythic+ is really popular cause its basically a difficulty slider for every dungeon.

I think ff14 does good with the social aspect of mmos but not when it comes to dungeon/trial/raid/job design. And wow does good at raid/dungeon/trial type stuff but not good at the social side.

[CStrife912]

You know it’s a topic of ranting contention that stormy is fighting with all their Alts to keep beyond post limits and shinkuno just being shinkuno for better or worse. Now we are just missing an awesomejr alt unless they have one :P then the stars have aligned once more :P

[Shinkuno]

You know it’s a topic of ranting contention that stormy is fighting with all their Alts to keep beyond post limits and shinkuno just being shinkuno for better or worse. Now we are just missing an awesomejr alt unless they have one :P then the stars have aligned once more :P

And what did you offer to the topic?

Yeah thought so

[Renathras]

Exactly. Why are they just complaining about WoW ? Every time someone criticizes FF14, they complain about WoW ? Doesn't make sense when you think about it. What if someone complains about blue cheese, are you going to say "actually bitter melon tastes really bad" ? Who asked ?

NO ONE is bringing up WoW except the people complaining about FFXIV.

The people who like FFXIV are telling you why it's good. It's when YOU bring up WoW that it enters the conversation.

You can't accuse other people of doing a thing they aren't - I mean, you physically CAN do so, but it makes you wrong to do so.

No one gets just quit or anything like that when they post a constructive criticism and don't post it in a condescending way. Don't come to the forum and say well wow's better than final fantasy, all wow contents better than final fantasy and that you're kind of what you like is a reason gaming sucks blah blah blah expect to have positive interaction. Just like life is all on how you present yourself you present yourself as you want to debate and argue and have a pissing contest somebody's going to step up and challenge, you come on here and try to just talk and have a friendly debate about the back and forth about what the game can improve on what it does right what it does wrong you'll get people that want to participate in that respectfully.

This.

You're talking up WoW in another game's forum. Then you complain when the people who play and enjoy said other game don't agree with you.

That's not "criticism" that is being viewed negatively. It's a combination of insults and propagandizing/advertising another game on your party. Same for the people that do this with GW2 and ESO and so on. If you play and enjoy other games, we're all totally happy for you. That doesn't mean you being negative ALL THE TIME here is going to be well received.

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Like for my part, legitimately, I think the only time I even mention WoW is once someone else has brought it up. And then it's less harping on WoW and more comparing and contrasting things, like healer class/Job kits and so on.

Yeah, some people dislike WoW. Doesn't change the fact they GENUINELY like FFXIV, and it doesn't change the fact that you're bringing up WoW more than anyone else. Maybe the reason you see so many people harping on WoW is because YOU keep bringing it up in a forum for a completely different videogame? Ever consider that?

[AlexiaD]

NO ONE is bringing up WoW except the people complaining about FFXIV.

The people who like FFXIV are telling you why it's good. It's when YOU bring up WoW that it enters the conversation.

You can't accuse other people of doing a thing they aren't - I mean, you physically CAN do so, but it makes you wrong to do so.



This.

You're talking up WoW in another game's forum. Then you complain when the people who play and enjoy said other game don't agree with you.

That's not "criticism" that is being viewed negatively. It's a combination of insults and propagandizing/advertising another game on your party. Same for the people that do this with GW2 and ESO and so on. If you play and enjoy other games, we're all totally happy for you. That doesn't mean you being negative ALL THE TIME here is going to be well received.

oh my god my dude, how do you keep lying so much, anytime something is brought up agaisnt FFXIV, people always respond "but wow does this" "but wow does that" just stop it lmao

not only do you just write walls of text, but you also just lie so blatantly, it's just blah, and you make me want to never respond to you again, guess I should re-take my stance on that, maybe it actually isnt worth responding to you after all

I think it's exactly this kind of thing you're describing that has actually created many of the 'trolls' on these boards.

In the beginning, many new users come here and post legitimate heartfelt criticism that they've spent a long time thinking about; They end up getting rebuked and torn to shreds by people who will defend this game at any cost, even if it means engaging in some of the most blatantly disingenuous argumentation tactics imaginable. Of course it's natural to walk away from an interaction like that feeling frustrated. Most people will just keep walking, and not come back to these forums; But there are others that have trouble letting it go, and end up going on a villain arc.

Pretty much this, "you reap what you sow" really fits this forum imo

[LittleImp]

Even when constructive criticism is posted, the goalposts are simply moved. Feedback often isn't posted here to be picked apart by other posters but rather with the hope that it will - by some miracle - be read and handed to the development team. As someone who has posted here consistently for roughly a decade, I think it's fair for me to say this - there's individuals here who will find ways to dismiss even the most politely worded criticism.

I know multiple individuals - myself included - who have backed up their discussion points with quotes from official interviews and in-game sources. That still isn't enough for some, because for such individuals it was never about being constructive - they'd rather that anyone they've developed very strange grudges with simply didn't post at all.

I think it's exactly this kind of thing you're describing that has actually created many of the 'trolls' on these boards.

In the beginning, many new users come here and post legitimate heartfelt criticism that they've spent a long time thinking about; They end up getting rebuked and torn to shreds by people who will defend this game at any cost, even if it means engaging in some of the most blatantly disingenuous argumentation tactics imaginable. Of course it's natural to walk away from an interaction like that feeling frustrated. Most people will just keep walking, and not come back to these forums; But there are others that have trouble letting it go, and end up going on a villain arc.

[Renathras]

oh my god my dude, how do you keep lying so much, anytime something is brought up agaisnt FFXIV, people always respond "but wow does this" "but wow does that" just stop it lmao

You would know about lying.

Show me where you've been negative to FFXIV and I've responded with "but wow does this".

You said "always", which means that I must have done it. Find ONE post where you were negative to FFXIV and {I}, me specifically, brought up "but wow does this" to bash WoW.

Find one. I dare you.

Oh, right, there isn't one, much less ALL of them.

STOP LYING.

[AlexiaD]

You would know about lying.

Show me where you've been negative to FFXIV and I've responded with "but wow does this".

You said "always", which means that I must have done it. Find ONE post where you were negative to FFXIV and {I}, me specifically, brought up "but wow does this" to bash WoW.

Find one. I dare you.

Oh, right, there isn't one, much less ALL of them.

STOP LYING.

I aint even talking about you my guy I'm talking in general, there's multiple people that use "wow does x" as a rebuttal to criticism agaisnt FFXIV, just stop

[ZephyrMenodora]

I aint even talking about you my guy I'm talking in general, there's multiple people that use "wow does x" as a rebuttal to criticism agaisnt FFXIV, just stop

Just say I'm glad AlexiaD is back. I like this one