Are you here because you hate WoW or love FF14

[AlexiaD]

No one gets just quit or anything like that when they post a constructive criticism and don't post it in a condescending way. Don't come to the forum and say well wow's better than final fantasy, all wow contents better than final fantasy and that you're kind of what you like is a reason gaming sucks blah blah blah expect to have positive interaction. Just like life is all on how you present yourself you present yourself as you want to debate and argue and have a pissing contest somebody's going to step up and challenge, you come on here and try to just talk and have a friendly debate about the back and forth about what the game can improve on what it does right what it does wrong you'll get people that want to participate in that respectfully.

Literally no one said WoW is better than FFXIV, it's actually all in your head, if anything I have said multiple times that FFXIV does the social aspect better and that WoW does the content aspect better, how is that me saying WoW is better than FF again?

[Mcg55ss]

Literally no one said WoW is better than FFXIV, it's actually all in your head, if anything I have said multiple times that FFXIV does the social aspect better and that WoW does the content aspect better, how is that me saying WoW is better than FF again?

think people go to bed thinking "oh no the sword in silithus ? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! how come ?", nah, people go to bed chilling and thinking about what M+ or raid, or anything else they'll do the next day. Your kind might be a majority in FFXIV, it's not in WoW, and thank god for that, because people like you ruin games with your vision of it, that's why WoW's content is far superior to FFXIV's, and that's why I enjoy content in one, and not the other.
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[AlexiaD]

think people go to bed thinking "oh no the sword in silithus ? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! how come ?", nah, people go to bed chilling and thinking about what M+ or raid, or anything else they'll do the next day. Your kind might be a majority in FFXIV, it's not in WoW, and thank god for that, because people like you ruin games with your vision of it, that's why WoW's content is far superior to FFXIV's, and that's why I enjoy content in one, and not the other.
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Exactly what I said, I said the content is superior in WoW, so? Does that mean FFXIV is bad ?

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I saw the last sentence you wrote and I'm already over it, not bothering sorry bud

[Renathras]

And yet criticism is pretty widely viewed as a bad thing on this forum,

No, it's not.

And this has been pointed out TO YOU SPECIFICALLY so many times, you aren't mistaken, you're lying right now.

YOU, personally (or one of your two alts), has had people reply to you, which you then quoted, so you've seen it. People have told you that criticism of game systems is acceptable (ideally if you aren't being a jerk about it), but attacking other people is not criticism of the game and is unacceptable, and using charged language like "FFXIV is garbage/sucks/etc" is not criticism, either.

You seem not to understand the difference between criticism and insults, so you insult the game and players that like and then get confused when people call you out on it, saying you were only offering criticism. You keep doing this AFTER many people have told you that's not criticism, that's insult. So you have no excuse at this point to feign innocence or ignorance.

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No one, LITERALLY NO ONE, here says that "criticism is a bad thing". Even most of the positive posters here, myself included, frequently offer criticism of the game. You know my most frequent ones of (a) no exploration content in EW (with which you agree), (b) the open world having little direct replay value (with which you agree), and (c) encounter design being based on mitigation and avoidance not healing, and non-healer role Jobs having too much healing and free healing among them to make Healers kind of redundant (with which I suspect you also agree on some level).

Toxic positivity isn't a thing here. Toxic negativity is, though. And you should know this because people have told you the difference over and over. Pretending to not listen doesn't absolve you of that fact.

[Nebelheim]

Literally no one said WoW is better than FFXIV, it's actually all in your head, if anything I have said multiple times that FFXIV does the social aspect better and that WoW does the content aspect better, how is that me saying WoW is better than FF again?

I never seen any mention of anyone saying wow is better in this thread. Every time i see wow brought up is former wow players constantly bringing up how the game they left sucked and they hate blizzard and wants everyone to know while also claiming ff14 is paradise and perfect and doesn't need to improve certain aspects.

[FenyxRising]

No, it's not.

And this has been pointed out TO YOU SPECIFICALLY so many times, you aren't mistaken, you're lying right now.

YOU, personally (or one of your two alts), has had people reply to you, which you then quoted, so you've seen it. People have told you that criticism of game systems is acceptable (ideally if you aren't being a jerk about it), but attacking other people is not criticism of the game and is unacceptable, and using charged language like "FFXIV is garbage/sucks/etc" is not criticism, either.

You seem not to understand the difference between criticism and insults, so you insult the game and players that like and then get confused when people call you out on it, saying you were only offering criticism. You keep doing this AFTER many people have told you that's not criticism, that's insult. So you have no excuse at this point to feign innocence or ignorance.

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No one, LITERALLY NO ONE, here says that "criticism is a bad thing". Even most of the positive posters here, myself included, frequently offer criticism of the game. You know my most frequent ones of (a) no exploration content in EW (with which you agree), (b) the open world having little direct replay value (with which you agree), and (c) encounter design being based on mitigation and avoidance not healing, and non-healer role Jobs having too much healing and free healing among them to make Healers kind of redundant (with which I suspect you also agree on some level).

Toxic positivity isn't a thing here. Toxic negativity is, though. And you should know this because people have told you the difference over and over. Pretending to not listen doesn't absolve you of that fact.

Can you kindly stop screaming ? Maybe use italics instead of screaming ^^

[Shinkuno]

I never seen any mention of anyone saying wow is better in this thread. Every time i see wow brought up is former wow players constantly bringing up how the game they left sucked and they hate blizzard and wants everyone to know while also claiming ff14 is paradise and perfect and doesn't need to improve certain aspects.

They just cant stand being corrected when trying to shill for FF14 with lies, so something that any mature person would just get over with in 2 comments those ex-WoW manchilds drag on over 10 pages constantly trying to tiptoe around them being called out on their lies and digging their heel in the dirt.

[Nebelheim]

They just cant stand being corrected when trying to shill for FF14 with lies, so something that any mature person would just get over with in 2 comments those ex-WoW manchilds drag on over 10 pages constantly trying to tiptoe around them being called out on their lies and digging their heel in the dirt.

I think ff14 and wow could look at each other and the things both games does right and wrong and use that for both games to improve certain aspects of each game. But apparently by saying that each game could learn from each other means that we think one game is better then the other.

[Theodric]

Even when constructive criticism is posted, the goalposts are simply moved. Feedback often isn't posted here to be picked apart by other posters but rather with the hope that it will - by some miracle - be read and handed to the development team. As someone who has posted here consistently for roughly a decade, I think it's fair for me to say this - there's individuals here who will find ways to dismiss even the most politely worded criticism.

I know multiple individuals - myself included - who have backed up their discussion points with quotes from official interviews and in-game sources. That still isn't enough for some, because for such individuals it was never about being constructive - they'd rather that anyone they've developed very strange grudges with simply didn't post at all.

[Shinkuno]

I think ff14 and wow could look at each other and the things both games does right and wrong and use that for both games to improve certain aspects of each game.

Absolutely. Blizzard could take a look at how invested people are into housing, Square could see how many casuals players still like to at least be a bit challenged by the game. Mythic raiders are a minority, but Mythic+ is really popular cause its basically a difficulty slider for every dungeon.