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  1. #121
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    It's weird how players get hung up on the visible "public face" of a development team as being responsible for all the woes of a game when there are a lot of different developers making a lot of different decisions. As far as I know, none of them are psychics able to see how things will turn out.

    Sure, if there are problems then the Game Director should share in the responsibility for them even if they weren't the ones that ultimately made the relevant decision. But if you're going to do that, you should also be crediting the Game Director for the game's successes as well.

    Ion didn't even become WoW's Game Director until a few months after Legion's launch. If you want to complain about things that happened before that, Tom Chilton is the one you should be talking about. He was Game Director from end of Wrath to start of Legion.

    As for no flying, that was Alex Afrasiabi's pet project. He was the Creative Director that pushed for it and kept talking up how players would fall in love with a world without flying in interviews.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8P4xSFOj0M (6m10s for the flying comments)

    As Creative Director, I wouldn't be surprised if he was directly responsible for many of WoW's problems post MoP.

    Oh well, ty Titanmen for the necro. I'm sure you've made Jin happy.
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  2. #122
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    Oh well, ty Titanmen for the necro. I'm sure you've made Jin happy.
    *sigh*

    I had hoped it wasnt him. Ugh.
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  3. #123
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    *sigh*

    I had hoped it wasnt him. Ugh.
    Just don't reply to a troll Vel. It's not worth it anyone who played WoW day one and beta knows what happened. I left because I just didn't like the direction the game took and I was a fan of all the warcraft games. I owned all of them. Even after years of playing other games I tried to go back this year and couldn't make it a week there it was just so uninteresting to me.
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  4. #124
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
    Just don't reply to a troll Vel. It's not worth it anyone who played WoW day one and beta knows what happened. I left because I just didn't like the direction the game took and I was a fan of all the warcraft games. I owned all of them. Even after years of playing other games I tried to go back this year and couldn't make it a week there it was just so uninteresting to me.
    I had them all too, including the original Orcs and Humans on CD. God that takes me back. I dont have any Blizzard games now..at all. Nuked my acct, got rid of the licenses, right to be forgotten invoked. I cant change what they are now, but as a customer all i can do is vote with my wallet.

    After 4 years in FF 14 the game feels as fresh as ever. I get that there are some issues, sure, every game has them, but as far as I am concerned, FF 14 is still head and shoulders above.

    A lot of games companies could do worse than follow YoshiPs lead.

    Dawntrail is on its way and I cant wait.
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    Last edited by VelKallor; 08-28-2023 at 08:47 PM.

  5. #125
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    I feel the same, people sometimes get stuck in this vacuum of negativity. Every game has flaws, but I am enjoying my time here it's money well spent to me. I also feel like some people think you have to follow the sheep in being negative. I saw it in another thread where I was dog piled on by negative nannies. I just quit responding and they thought ohh I scored points on her and in fact they didn't I just laugh at them while sipping tea.

    Orcs vs Humans was a great game! Omg I have such great memories of lan parties and that game. The reason why I applied for beta in WoW and yes I played beta. I was there day one. My deceased ex husband and I played the heck out of that game through wrath and then went elsewhere. We saw the handwriting on the wall with direction and said nope we are out.
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    Last edited by Snorky; 08-28-2023 at 09:19 PM.
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  6. #126
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    Omg I have such great memories of lan parties and that game.
    Lan parties

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  7. #127
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manofpassion View Post
    I wouldn't mind giving nomura a fair shake. The dude is in my opinion an idiot. But yoshi-p hasn't made housing not headbanging levels of frustration after 10 years of his tenure. Nomura probably won't fix it either, but what do people who are into housing have to lose?

    And since yoshi-p only plays black mage and gives special attention to that job only, I wouldn't mind nomura taking over. Nomura seems like a melee player, if he can revert the ninja changes and introduce some cool new stuff to it like yoshi p has done with black mage I'm down.
    I agree. Nomura is a hack when it comes to character, story and world building, but his games are more often than not very fun and besides the "too many belts" meme, he's actually a good character designer (Gaia is a babe despite having her mouth stung by a scorpion and bitten by an asp). I mean, FFVII remake is a good game with very good boss design, the only problem is Nomura turning a beloved story into one of his destiny and time traveling teen novels. It's rather have a game with a crap story and good gameplay than meh both.

    Yoshida on the other hand seems like a competent developer and leader, gets projects done in time without many hurdles, and loves the game he plays. The problem is that he's predictable, and a trend chaser as of late. XVI reeks of "made for American audiences" early 2010s design philosophy, with a dark and brooding male lead, action combat (because turn based combat is too complicated for Americans and a fresh action rpg means thinking originally), and all elements Americans love (the blood, the swear, the sex and the gay) while taking away all those anti-edgy and dark stuff, like Cactuars and Tonberries (because Moogle has to be in for contractual obligations).

    If anything, this might be the time where SE stroking Nomura's ego for his crazy bs might be better than SE stroking Yoshidas's for being absolutely mediocre.
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  8. #128
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldath View Post
    I agree. Nomura is a hack when it comes to character, story and world building, but his games are more often than not very fun and besides the "too many belts" meme, he's actually a good character designer (Gaia is a babe despite having her mouth stung by a scorpion and bitten by an asp). I mean, FFVII remake is a good game with very good boss design, the only problem is Nomura turning a beloved story into one of his destiny and time traveling teen novels. It's rather have a game with a crap story and good gameplay than meh both.

    Yoshida on the other hand seems like a competent developer and leader, gets projects done in time without many hurdles, and loves the game he plays. The problem is that he's predictable, and a trend chaser as of late. XVI reeks of "made for American audiences" early 2010s design philosophy, with a dark and brooding male lead, action combat (because turn based combat is too complicated for Americans and a fresh action rpg means thinking originally), and all elements Americans love (the blood, the swear, the sex and the gay) while taking away all those anti-edgy and dark stuff, like Cactuars and Tonberries (because Moogle has to be in for contractual obligations).

    If anything, this might be the time where SE stroking Nomura's ego for his crazy bs might be better than SE stroking Yoshidas's for being absolutely mediocre.
    I cant really trust the man who doesnt even play his own game let alone never beaten the superbosses in Kingdom Hearts than the man who does play it and is competently skilled at it.

    Nomura's strengths are his characters and world (both the good and the bad) but in terms of game design, hes had highs and lows. His masterpiece being KH2FM imo and afterwards everything else became just a downgrade to the level of polish and content he presented in that game.
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  9. #129
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    These trolls have been fed so well they’re starting to get fat…
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