Did Just our Star(planet) get sundered or the whole universe?

[Cleretic]

Okay, answering the questions basically in order. Some of these will cover the same answers.

• Just the planet we're on got sundered. Also the moon, probably, when exactly the moon started existing is still an open question, but the shards definitely have their own moons.
• It isn't completely clear how the Nier raid people got to the First, but the Seeds of Destruction (and I believe the Ark) can cross dimensions so it might be a 'them' thing rather than something anyone can just do.
• No plausible examples to figure out if/how someone gets to a shard via external travel rather than the Source.
• Midgardsormr just got to the Source; no idea why he didn't hit any other shard, but nothing really suggests that he did anything special, so the Source is probably the 'default'.
• We probably can't do shard travel by doing a return space trip, but that's on Y'shtola to figure out.
• Thaumaturge spells do not tap into the void. Neither do Black Mage spells. Thaumaturges use internal aether and black mages use the aether of the world around them, so both of them work just fine as far as results go no matter where we are, although if you wanted to get really, really fiddly on how aether works, there might be other story there. (The writers will not get that fiddly on how aether works.)
• How everything works in Ultima Thule is a separate interesting question, because it's basically a space that isn't made out of conventional matter and energy. The best we can reckon, everything there is made of and powered by dynamis (and given a bit of Thancred-help to take interactable form), so all forms of combat work just fine with it. But the Reaper's Avatar is making one hell of a trip to get there.

[thegreatonemal]

Okay, answering the questions basically in order. Some of these will cover the same answers.

• Just the planet we're on got sundered. Also the moon, probably, when exactly the moon started existing is still an open question, but the shards definitely have their own moons.
• It isn't completely clear how the Nier raid people got to the First, but the Seeds of Destruction (and I believe the Ark) can cross dimensions so it might be a 'them' thing rather than something anyone can just do.
• No plausible examples to figure out if/how someone gets to a shard via external travel rather than the Source.
• Midgardsormr just got to the Source; no idea why he didn't hit any other shard, but nothing really suggests that he did anything special, so the Source is probably the 'default'.
• We probably can't do shard travel by doing a return space trip, but that's on Y'shtola to figure out.
• Thaumaturge spells do not tap into the void. Neither do Black Mage spells. Thaumaturges use internal aether and black mages use the aether of the world around them, so both of them work just fine as far as results go no matter where we are, although if you wanted to get really, really fiddly on how aether works, there might be other story there. (The writers will not get that fiddly on how aether works.)
• How everything works in Ultima Thule is a separate interesting question, because it's basically a space that isn't made out of conventional matter and energy. The best we can reckon, everything there is made of and powered by dynamis (and given a bit of Thancred-help to take interactable form), so all forms of combat work just fine with it. But the Reaper's Avatar is making one hell of a trip to get there.

Hydaelyn created the moon specifically as a prison for Zodiark. I'm guessing this planet just didn't have a moon at all.

[LilimoLimomo]

Hydaelyn created the moon specifically as a prison for Zodiark. I'm guessing this planet just didn't have a moon at all.

As Cleretic said, it's up in the air. Figuratively that is, although also literally. Could be that the moon was created at the moment Zodiark was sundered and then simultaneously sundered itself, could be some other order of operations.

Additionally, it's worth noting that the moon can be seen in Elpis pre-sundering. There has been plenty of time to correct this obvious issue if it was indeed a bug, which may suggest that it's intended.

[Cleretic]

As Cleretic said, it's up in the air. Figuratively that is, although also literally. Could be that the moon was created at the moment Zodiark was sundered and then simultaneously sundered itself, could be some other order of operations.

Additionally, it's worth noting that the moon can be seen in Elpis pre-sundering. There has been plenty of time to correct this obvious issue if it was indeed a bug, which may suggest that it's intended.

It's only seen in basically the rarest time/weather condition in Elpis, and not especially clear even then, so I could see it just being that they missed a spot.

'Creating the moon to serve as a prison/escape pod' and 'repurposing the moon to serve as a prison/escape pod' are pretty much equally insane concepts, so both options are still pretty huge.

[Enphilistor]

I would like to thank you all for your comments, and make the following replies:

I do not think that Hydaelyn created the moon. I believe the Ascians were already using it to house Zodiac, who was already complete before the sundering. Hydaelyn sundered the moon as well as the planet, and after the sundering and installing Zodiark's seal, probably on all reflections, but only installed the Lopperits and the Watcher on the moon of the source, as far as we know. I do not think it was a bug showing the moon in the Unsundered Elpis.

But my point it that we do know the universe can be seen by both the first and the source, and there were many space faring races some of them who came to the source(Midgardsiormr, Omega. the Mandervelians) and at least 1 on the first( Puppets). And the stars in the sky were a big issue in the story on the first. So if the universe was NOT sundered, then the stars are the same ones seen on the souce for all reflections. And if ships were built on the 1st, or the second, etc, up to the 13th, to leave the sundered area of space around our star, they should be able to meet us up there beyond the moon. If Midgardsiormr could detect the sundering as he neared the star other races could also, such as the puppets. I wonder why they would have chosen to go to the first..and not the source...and why meteion's song did not affect them. Perhaps other alien races have indeed landed in the other reflections and we just don't know them yet.

But regardless, if other races can get into the reflections, the people in them should be able to fly out into the common area of space and meet us, or go back to other reflections or back to thier original one, just like we can to Ultima thule...although having the same ship in both places is also sort of odd too. Perhaps Hydaelyn did that to actually prevent the flight of the ship back due to the possibility of slipping into the other reflections.

[Lady_Silvermoon]

I would like to thank you all for your comments, and make the following replies:

I do not think that Hydaelyn created the moon. I believe the Ascians were already using it to house Zodiac, who was already complete before the sundering. Hydaelyn sundered the moon as well as the planet, and after the sundering and installing Zodiark's seal, probably on all reflections, but only installed the Lopperits and the Watcher on the moon of the source, as far as we know. I do not think it was a bug showing the moon in the Unsundered Elpis.

But my point it that we do know the universe can be seen by both the first and the source, and there were many space faring races some of them who came to the source(Midgardsiormr, Omega. the Mandervelians) and at least 1 on the first( Puppets). And the stars in the sky were a big issue in the story on the first. So if the universe was NOT sundered, then the stars are the same ones seen on the souce for all reflections. And if ships were built on the 1st, or the second, etc, up to the 13th, to leave the sundered area of space around our star, they should be able to meet us up there beyond the moon. If Midgardsiormr could detect the sundering as he neared the star other races could also, such as the puppets. I wonder why they would have chosen to go to the first..and not the source...and why meteion's song did not affect them. Perhaps other alien races have indeed landed in the other reflections and we just don't know them yet.

But regardless, if other races can get into the reflections, the people in them should be able to fly out into the common area of space and meet us, or go back to other reflections or back to thier original one, just like we can to Ultima thule...although having the same ship in both places is also sort of odd too. Perhaps Hydaelyn did that to actually prevent the flight of the ship back due to the possibility of slipping into the other reflections.

Nah, cause in one of the stories it says they were standing around arguing when Elidibus stepped out of Zodiark's chest, so it sounds like he was with them on the star. As for your original question, I think the other shards are out of phase with the universe which is why the evacuation of them wouldn't be possible.

[SuperChris]

I would like to thank you all for your comments, and make the following replies:

I do not think that Hydaelyn created the moon. I believe the Ascians were already using it to house Zodiac, who was already complete before the sundering. Hydaelyn sundered the moon as well as the planet, and after the sundering and installing Zodiark's seal, probably on all reflections, but only installed the Lopperits and the Watcher on the moon of the source, as far as we know.

It looks like it was addressed in the MSQ after you made this point, but it's worth pointing out: It's mentioned that the Flood of Darkness on the 13th happened after Durante killed the Watcher there, so it's likely that every reflection has it's own Watcher. You're probably right on the Loporrits though.

[totalimmortal]

Okay, answering the questions basically in order. Some of these will cover the same answers.

• when exactly the moon started existing is still an open question

me realizing that the moon is sundered even though they say hydaelyn built the moon to escape the final days

[Cleretic]

me realizing that the moon is sundered even though they say hydaelyn built the moon to escape the final days

Is there actual evidence that someone said that? I'm being serious, because to my knowledge it's just that the first time the moon is brought up in terms of the in-universe chronology is Hydaelyn's Moon Plan, and we generally took it to mean that she created it. The game itself is kind of cheekily evasive about it; neither of the Amaurot skyboxes in the Shadowbringers dungeon have a visible moon, and while there technically is a visible moon in Elpis, it's barely visible only in a very specific weather/time combo so that might not even be intentional.

Like I said on the first page, it almost doesn't matter; repurposing the moon as a prison/spaceship is about the same level of impressive as purpose-building it as one. But we don't really know, and none of the evidence is necessarily a gotcha either way.