The Healer DPS Problem, The Toxicity it incites

[ASkellington]

Honestly that either says more about you or you just have a string of really bad tanks

9 dungeons out of 10 I never have to touch a GCD heal and of those 9 5 of them I’m barely even touching an oGCD because the tank is healing themself anyway

This. Depending on the tank I'm either cursing someone to the seventh pit of hell or... well no I'm still cursing someone to the seventh pit.

Either I'm cursing the tank because they have absolutely no idea what they're doing and no matter what CDs I have I couldn't keep them alive because they refuse to mitigate and stand in E V E R Y T H I N G (still thinking of YOU GNB in Malika's Hell with the 7 vuln stacks!) or I'm cursing the dev team for designing bores of bosses and trash because my tank is barely taking damage even in a W2W and TBs hit like a noodle even if they DON'T mitigate.

There aren't many inbetweens. Like I don't have a tank that's good, cycles through CDs and still have to GCD heal with them being the problem.

[Darnath]

Similiar experience as SamSmoot

I wish I had these godly groups people who they barely have anything to heal.

Dungeon trash? Unless it's a WAR tank, it's use Essential Dignity when the tank dips. Oops, tank dipped again. ED. Oops, tank dipped a third time? GCD time. Also, unless they make a way so we can see the timer left on tank CDs (especially short ones) don't know when their Bloodwhetting/Heart of Corundum/TBN is up to even know if the tank is gonna pop one of those and the healer can focus on DPS. Heck, I'd even like a way to increase the size of certain buffs so it's more obvious "Oh, GNB popped Heart of Corundum. Don't heal until the buff vanishes." And especially DRK 70? You're just piling on heals because they don't even have a short CD to use on trash. Why PLD got Sheltron moved to 40's while DRK is short CD less until 70 got me besides Dark Mind.

Raids or Trials? You ever get that group where two or three people keep moving about with the "scatter" markers (aka everybody gets hit with a mechanic) then they all give up and stand still and boom? It's not like Party Finder's where people are on discord and can say "Healer stay, I'll move". And no chat bubbles to make it clear who'll stay (if a person has a macro set to say that). So again heal bombing to fix that if they even survive that.

I will agree for the most part Dungeon bosses and the majority of raids tanks are pretty self sufficient. But there are situations where I'm also pumping out heals in spurts. I prefer to keep people in the 80% or higher depending on what's coming up. I know "That's too high" but I trust the server tic as far as I can throw my car. Too many times I've waited to the last second to throw an Essential Dignity. Nope, goes on me instead and now I'm really in panic mode.

Just another reason I won't touch anything higher than duty roulette goods I guess. I can't stand the concept of "Letting people be at 50% is fine". Maybe if the netcode wasn't such garbage unless you're on NTT's backbone.

[SquishyPlushie]

I saw "healer problem" in the title and my mind instantly went to WoW forums PTSD with healer complaints over there.

[Supersnow845]

Similiar experience as SamSmoot

I wish I had these godly groups people who they barely have anything to heal.

Dungeon trash? Unless it's a WAR tank, it's use Essential Dignity when the tank dips. Oops, tank dipped again. ED. Oops, tank dipped a third time? GCD time. Also, unless they make a way so we can see the timer left on tank CDs (especially short ones) don't know when their Bloodwhetting/Heart of Corundum/TBN is up to even know if the tank is gonna pop one of those and the healer can focus on DPS. Heck, I'd even like a way to increase the size of certain buffs so it's more obvious "Oh, GNB popped Heart of Corundum. Don't heal until the buff vanishes." And especially DRK 70? You're just piling on heals because they don't even have a short CD to use on trash. Why PLD got Sheltron moved to 40's while DRK is short CD less until 70 got me besides Dark Mind.

Raids or Trials? You ever get that group where two or three people keep moving about with the "scatter" markers (aka everybody gets hit with a mechanic) then they all give up and stand still and boom? It's not like Party Finder's where people are on discord and can say "Healer stay, I'll move". And no chat bubbles to make it clear who'll stay (if a person has a macro set to say that). So again heal bombing to fix that if they even survive that.

I will agree for the most part Dungeon bosses and the majority of raids tanks are pretty self sufficient. But there are situations where I'm also pumping out heals in spurts. I prefer to keep people in the 80% or higher depending on what's coming up. I know "That's too high" but I trust the server tic as far as I can throw my car. Too many times I've waited to the last second to throw an Essential Dignity. Nope, goes on me instead and now I'm really in panic mode.

Just another reason I won't touch anything higher than duty roulette goods I guess. I can't stand the concept of "Letting people be at 50% is fine". Maybe if the netcode wasn't such garbage unless you're on NTT's backbone.

I live in Australia on NA and 20% is still too high

Not like the tanks will even let themselves get that low with their level of self sustain though

[Sebazy]

Dungeon trash? Unless it's a WAR tank, it's use Essential Dignity when the tank dips. Oops, tank dipped again. ED. Oops, tank dipped a third time? GCD time.

This is more of a problem with gear scaling coupled with the strange difficulty spikes in leveling dungeons vs Experto.

Dungeons are much more threatening at or around min ilvl. The problem is that in leveling dungeons it's pretty common for people to be around that mark, whereas once you hit the level cap and get a couple of weeks of tome+24 man gear down you're absolutely smoking the recommended ilvls for expert roulette and thus we get the face roll.

I recently did a run of Lapis and avoided all healing oGCDs with only Assize on cooldown as usual. No benisons, no tetras, no bene, no asylum and just one fat fingered PI at the end of boss 2. I got a ~90% dps log on that run despite having to use Regen etc as my main source of healing on a DRK tank. Did I have to let the tank dip low to get that sort of damage whilst missing half of my kit? I'll let you be the judge of that.

Back onto the thread in general:

It's a depressingly common opinion that people seem to think that a healer does good DPS to the detriment of their party's safety. In the hands of a half decent player that's willing and able to pay attention, that's not the case at all. A big part of the problem is that at level 90, all we have to contribute to the party in basic endgame content is our damage which is tedious beyond belief, thus when significant swathes of the healer player base can't help but tune out and stop paying attention to the main screen I can only suggest that perhaps griping over the DPS mentality is kind of missing the point here. The real issue is how unengaging our gameplay is in casual endgame content. Until that gets addressed or we actually get another more interesting way in which we can productively contribute to the party, this isn't going to be resolved.

[Bibine_Bine]

Healer main here. No one is saying "healers shouldn't have to heal." In fact, most healers disagree with that sentiment. The guy in the novice network was just telling you how it is. He wasn't saying that's how it *should* be.
Unfortunately, Square Enix seems to think so.
And then they turn around and say encounters aren't "designed with healer DPS in mind." Lol. Lmao.

At least this raid tier they put in some hard-hitting >unavoidable< mechanics that have the healers doing more than just hitting a single oGCD. I'm hoping they do more stuff like that.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Healers shouldn't have to heal? In about 60% of the roulettes I join, I'm frantically trying to keep the tank alive, and I'm lucky if I have time to DPS at all.

1. Depends on the dungeon you're synced into. As a general rule, trash pulls in leveling dungeon tend to require more healing than most capstone/all expert dungeons.
2. Your tanks just don't mitigate and/or standing in red carpets. If you get these sort of tanks in leveling dungeon, then yes you're probably going to have a bad time.
3. You're synced down to a level range where you don't have as many toolkits in reserve like in 90s. (I.e. one of the reason why Stone Vigil is notorious from healer's PoV)
4. Improper use of toolkits.

[AwesomeJr44]

I’m gonna start a drinking campaign of my own

Take a drink any time a forum user suggests a “fix” to the game that is literally just coils

Say goodbye to your liver. Mine got destroyed by the last drinking game.

[Rolder50]

I saw "healer problem" in the title and my mind instantly went to WoW forums PTSD with healer complaints over there.

Interestingly, the games have opposite problems.

FF14 there isn't enough to heal and the role is super boring.

WoW there is too much to heal and the role is super stressful.

[OgruMogru]

Every % missing health should yield a % of damage down. Every % of overheal/shield should yield a damage buff.