Square Enix, it's time to come clean about your plans for the future

[Jojoya]

Who said anything about the "MAJORITAH"? I swear some people just throw this "argument" everywhere and hope it sticks.

And if you want to use majority argument for player drop off? Well, if majority of players leave, then it's way, way too late to do anything. Don't know if you're trying to imply that everything is fine and dandy as long as drop isn't over half the playerbase.

Koros was talking about a majority.

Stormpeaks picked up on it and decided that housing demolition was proof of the majority. You just happened to offer up the numbers that Stormpeaks didn't so I quoted you for those numbers.

Everything is fine and dandy for the game as long as enough players stay subbed for SE to keep the servers running and adding new content.

jojoya thinks all wow refugees owned a housing plot.

No, I don't.

I also don't think they mostly stuck around. I'd be surprised if more than 30% are still playing FFXIV.

But just as house owners are more committed to FFXIV, the WoW refugees didn't come to commit to FFXIV. They came for the streamer drama. As that died out, they slowly disappeared. Their loss isn't significant because of that lack of commitment.

jojoya, in statistics you can use house demolitions and make a logics-based conclusion, that 12,000 demolished plots translates to double or triple that of wow refugees who didn't own a house. Specially considering that to get a house it requires a deeper level of commitment to the game.

This is why forum concerns shouldn't be taken as "only the few post on forums," the forum also represents those who quit the game quietly, they just didn't bother expressing it. This is why school forum, community forum, and such exist in real life. It's not a "oooh that's only those small amount of people, everyone else outside the forum is having fun."

That's fine but you also need to take into account the periods that demolition was suspended and what the normal housing churn is. When demolition isn't suspended, there's almost always a small number of houses getting demo'd on each world.

If it was 12,000 players in a single month, that would be alarming.

Instead it represents 7,000 players that quit between Dec 2021 and January 2023, then another 5,000 players that quit between February 2023 and July 2023 (the two periods when demolition was suspended). Play with the numbers (taking into account that 4 of the worlds opened July 2022 and their plots aren't fully occupied) and you get about 13 demolitions per week per world in the first wave and 15 demolitions per week per world in the second wave.

How much is normal churn, and how much can be linked directly to current discontent?

[Amnmaat]

WoW refugees didn't come to commit to FFXIV. They came for the streamer drama. As that died out, they slowly disappeared. Their loss isn't significant because of that lack of commitment.

Bold statement; you don't know the full breakdown of that situation. Nor is the housing the only situation exposing xiv's terrible endgame and/or lack of entertainment past msq https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...half-a-year-in

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Pass me one of those please. Lol

I want one to.
Those look neat, No Cap

[Jojoya]

Bold statement; you don't know the full breakdown of that situation. Nor is the housing the only situation exposing xiv's terrible endgame and/or lack of entertainment past msq https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...half-a-year-in

Do you have the full breakdown of that situation?

You're linking a Titanmen troll thread a Steam chart that only represents Steam users. As I pointed out elsewhere, if you only go by Steam activity you would swear I only play Cities: Skylines and Darkest Dungeon. It has no record of my FFXIV activity because I don't play the game through Steam. How many others don't play through Steam, whether PC, Mac or PS 4/5?

We're all just guessing here what is going on within the entire player base. Have you stopped to consider that not everyone plays this game solely for end game content because the game isn't designed to funnel everyone into endgame as fast as possible unlike some other games such as WoW? End game has never been FFXIV's strong suit not does it need to be for this game to be successful.

We get it. You're unhappy.

Then why are you still subbed? Why pay to get the privilege of what is a miserable experience in your eyes? Why not take a break, go play the games that do meet your standards and have a good time instead?

What is in your personal best interests?

[Amnmaat]

Do you have the full breakdown of that situation?

You're linking a Titanmen troll thread a Steam chart that only represents Steam users. As I pointed out elsewhere, if you only go by Steam activity you would swear I only play Cities: Skylines and Darkest Dungeon. It has no record of my FFXIV activity because I don't play the game through Steam. How many others don't play through Steam, whether PC, Mac or PS 4/5?

We're all just guessing here what is going on within the entire player base. Have you stopped to consider that not everyone plays this game solely for end game content because the game isn't designed to funnel everyone into endgame as fast as possible unlike some other games such as WoW? End game has never been FFXIV's strong suit not does it need to be for this game to be successful.

We get it. You're unhappy.

Then why are you still subbed? Why pay to get the privilege of what is a miserable experience in your eyes? Why not take a break, go play the games that do meet your standards and have a good time instead?

What is in your personal best interests?

Guess you didn't read my post. I'm providing additional sources of the wow refugees just leaving the heck out of ffxiv after they found out the game was a marketing trap.

[Jojoya]

Guess you didn't read my post. I'm providing additional sources of the wow refugees just leaving the heck out of ffxiv after they found out the game was a marketing trap.

I did look at the post. It's a Titanmen troll thread. What's even funnier is that it's over a year old. Did you thinking digging up a year old thread with year old information from a troll was going to impress anyone?

If you had read what I posted, you would have seen me say I'd be surprised if more than 30% of the WoW refugees were still here because they didn't come to play FFXIV. They came for the streamer drama where everyone was thumbing their noses at Blizzard.

No one in their right minds would expect most WoW players to stick around here because it is designed very differently. I've still got friends from WoW that I would never recommend this game to because they dislike story and are very end game focused. It is not the right game for them. It is the right game for some of my other WoW friends. They're still very happily playing FFXIV after more than a year.

Again, why are you here if the game has a terrible end game and lack of entertainment? It's certainly not going to change before 7.0 and it may not change even then.

Continuing to pay your subscription won't change anything. You're still going to be unhappy for at least another 10 months. That's USD 140-150 down the drain.

Cancelling your subscription will save you some money and break whatever is tying you to the game. You can use the money to play other games that meet your standards where FFXIV doesn't.

Do that. Have your friends who feel the same way about the game do it as well. If you want SE to sit up and take notice about how unhappy some of you are with the current state of the game, you're going to have to stop giving them money. It's only when a huge number of players start unsubscribing at the same time that the gaming corporations will sit up and take notice.

[Amnmaat]

I did look at the post. It's a Titanmen troll thread. What's even funnier is that it's over a year old. Did you thinking digging up a year old thread with year old information from a troll was going to impress anyone?

If you had read what I posted, you would have seen me say I'd be surprised if more than 30% of the WoW refugees were still here because they didn't come to play FFXIV. They came for the streamer drama where everyone was thumbing their noses at Blizzard.

No one in their right minds would expect most WoW players to stick around here because it is designed very differently. I've still got friends from WoW that I would never recommend this game to because they dislike story and are very end game focused. It is not the right game for them. It is the right game for some of my other WoW friends. They're still very happily playing FFXIV after more than a year.

Again, why are you here if the game has a terrible end game and lack of entertainment? It's certainly not going to change before 7.0 and it may not change even then.

Continuing to pay your subscription won't change anything. You're still going to be unhappy for at least another 10 months. That's USD 140-150 down the drain.

Cancelling your subscription will save you some money and break whatever is tying you to the game. You can use the money to play other games that meet your standards where FFXIV doesn't.

Do that. Have your friends who feel the same way about the game do it as well. If you want SE to sit up and take notice about how unhappy some of you are with the current state of the game, you're going to have to stop giving them money. It's only when a huge number of players start unsubscribing at the same time that the gaming corporations will sit up and take notice.

You know you've lost the argument when you have to resort to "unsub" as your argument.

[RosaliaDLB]

I did look at the post. It's a Titanmen troll thread. What's even funnier is that it's over a year old. Did you thinking digging up a year old thread with year old information from a troll was going to impress anyone?

If you had read what I posted, you would have seen me say I'd be surprised if more than 30% of the WoW refugees were still here because they didn't come to play FFXIV. They came for the streamer drama where everyone was thumbing their noses at Blizzard.

No one in their right minds would expect most WoW players to stick around here because it is designed very differently. I've still got friends from WoW that I would never recommend this game to because they dislike story and are very end game focused. It is not the right game for them. It is the right game for some of my other WoW friends. They're still very happily playing FFXIV after more than a year.

Again, why are you here if the game has a terrible end game and lack of entertainment? It's certainly not going to change before 7.0 and it may not change even then.

Continuing to pay your subscription won't change anything. You're still going to be unhappy for at least another 10 months. That's USD 140-150 down the drain.

Cancelling your subscription will save you some money and break whatever is tying you to the game. You can use the money to play other games that meet your standards where FFXIV doesn't.

Do that. Have your friends who feel the same way about the game do it as well. If you want SE to sit up and take notice about how unhappy some of you are with the current state of the game, you're going to have to stop giving them money. It's only when a huge number of players start unsubscribing at the same time that the gaming corporations will sit up and take notice.

I love how yall will just say "it's a titanmen troll thread" as if anything the dude says actually has no value whatsoever, yet he provides evidence, something you dont give yourself.

It's all "blah blah blah" "just quit" on your end, but he provided evidence of his claim.

You know you've the argument when you have to resort to "unsub" as your argument.

That's Jojoya for you, spending their entire time telling anyone with any negative comment to just unsub and quit the game entirely.

[Jojoya]

I love how yall will just say "it's a titanmen troll thread" as if anything the dude says actually has no value whatsoever, yet he provides evidence, something you dont give yourself.

It's all "blah blah blah" "just quit" on your end, but he provided evidence of his claim.



That's Jojoya for you, spending their entire time telling anyone with any negative comment to just unsub and quit the game entirely.

Evidence of what? WoW refugees leaving the game over a year ago after the streamer drama faded away?

Again, so what? They were never going to stay.

Here, have some evidence that the population is higher now than it was before the WoW exodus began.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=627409761

[Aaros]

They were never going to stay.

I see we have shifted the goalpost so far it's now on Mars.