At this point will FFXIV collapse if all mods and third party tools disappear?

[Theodric]

Well, on that note it depends very much on what you mean by 'roleplayers'. A lot of the roleplayers who genuinely invested in the game's lore ended up being driven away between the sheer amount of people obsessed with ERP and the strange policing of anyone inclined to play anything even remotely antagonistic. Roleplay is about much more than attending 'venues' and it's telling that there's been all sorts of major server wide campaigns in WoW over the years but very little of the equivalent here in FFXIV.

[Metool42]

FFXIV: the most popular it has ever been

Doomsayers for some reason: wIlL tHiS gAmE cOlLaPsE??

[RitsukoSonoda]

FFXIV: the most popular it has ever been

Doomsayers for some reason: wIlL tHiS gAmE cOlLaPsE??

Well to be fair success has caused things to collapse in the past.

[Raikai]

Well, on that note it depends very much on what you mean by 'roleplayers'. A lot of the roleplayers who genuinely invested in the game's lore ended up being driven away between the sheer amount of people obsessed with ERP and the strange policing of anyone inclined to play anything even remotely antagonistic. Roleplay is about much more than attending 'venues' and it's telling that there's been all sorts of major server wide campaigns in WoW over the years but very little of the equivalent here in FFXIV.

In XIV, at least to my experience, there's a lot of campaign based RP and stuff beyond the 'venue attending' but that's more in the FC (or standalone organized groups, more uncommonly) territory. It's only a bit time consuming to actually find the group that suits your roleplaying needs, but they're there.

Ironically, the best way to find those groups is actually going to venues and discovering people there. I tend to find more 'engaged RPers' casually enjoying those areas, and was precisely how I found all of my previous RPing FCs, all with their own unique campaigns that kept us busy for months.

[Ivtrix]

In XIV, at least to my experience, there's a lot of campaign based RP and stuff beyond the 'venue attending' but that's more in the FC (or standalone organized groups, more uncommonly) territory. It's only a bit time consuming to actually find the group that suits your roleplaying needs, but they're there.

Ironically, the best way to find those groups is actually going to venues and discovering people there. I tend to find more 'engaged RPers' casually enjoying those areas, and was precisely how I found all of my previous RPing FCs, all with their own unique campaigns that kept us busy for months.

Nice to know it’s not too too hard to find. I’ve heard a lot of complaints about more casual RP like above is the dominant choice and wasn’t sure exactly how hard it would be to find more high fantasy oriented players

[Mcg55ss]

Well to be fair success has caused things to collapse in the past.

It's true and you can't be the most successful, most popular forever I mean just look at retail World of Warcraft

[Raikai]

Nice to know it’s not too too hard to find. I’ve heard a lot of complaints about more casual RP like above is the dominant choice and wasn’t sure exactly how hard it would be to find more high fantasy oriented players

I don't know if, with cross realm transit, it matters anymore with server differences, but I'm on Mateus and there's a well diversified array of groups here.

I think another solid way is finding the FFXIV roleplaying Discord servers, because they have lists of open FCs and groups - they usually advertise with their own websites and you'll find what exactly they're about and the style of RPing - saying that because you'll find some filters about what they want/want not in their stories/characters.

[Ivtrix]

It's true and you can't be the most successful, most popular forever I mean just look at retail World of Warcraft

The only thing that can defeat a game that gets that big is itself. FFXIV is def in that category. I think we’re all in agreement that a hard ban on 3rd party mods wouldn’t kill the game immediately but what percentage of the playerbase uses mods and how much of a dealbreaker it is for players is kinda the discussion point at this point in the the conversation.

I think they are in tune with just how many people do mod the game, and probably have run some sort of analytics to see potential losses were they to take that path.

But with recent events like Nintendo having to explain to its shareholders why it gave its employees a raise, I do t think SE is keen to take any avenues which risks revenue loss.

[Mcg55ss]

The only thing that can defeat a game that gets that big is itself. FFXIV is def in that category. I think we’re all in agreement that a hard ban on 3rd party mods wouldn’t kill the game immediately but what percentage of the playerbase uses mods and how much of a dealbreaker it is for players is kinda the discussion point at this point in the the conversation.

I think they are in tune with just how many people do mod the game, and probably have run some sort of analytics to see potential losses were they to take that path.

But with recent events like Nintendo having to explain to its shareholders why it gave its employees a raise, I do t think SE is keen to take any avenues which risks revenue loss.

That's why I doubt they'll ever be like a anticheat that is all encompassing the game all the time. Now what I do assume as this game is like wow and that when you join a dungeon PVP or raid you're playing this content on a separate server then your actual world server (wow I know does this cuz at times you can see the world server crash but people in the raid would be fine). So I can see them adding an anticheat scan for when people enter these activity looking for third party addons when you join these servers. That's the only way I see them do it.

[Ivtrix]

That's why I doubt they'll ever be like a anticheat that is all encompassing the game all the time. Now what I do assume as this game is like wow and that when you join a dungeon PVP or raid you're playing this content on a separate server then your actual world server (wow I know does this cuz at times you can see the world server crash but people in the raid would be fine). So I can see them adding an anticheat scan for when people enter these activity looking for third party addons when you join these servers. That's the only way I see them do it.

I’m pretty sure instanced content is already separate from the world servers since I’ve been dcd after the world servers while in an instance (ie servers going down for patch) as well as multiple times over the past couple tiers where the world servers are fine but the instance servers are laggy asf

Idk tho I’m not IT so I could be wrong

Edit; this also sounds like a very anti Raider solution, SE wouldn’t pick and choose they would go all in or nothing so idk if this would be an actual solution from them