Square Enix, it's time to come clean about your plans for the future

[Raven2014]

I'm not sure it would be as effective here, as there are a large number of players who would stay subbed no matter how terrible the game is. The Yoshi-P cult of personality is strong.

Have you ever entertain the thought the reason people stay sub because they actually enjoy the game? Or you deep denial self will never allow you to consider such thought?

I wonder if this is some kind of personal projection at work? Just because you think the game is terrible but stay sub anyway (lol?), doesn't mean everyone is the same. Before trying to gaslight people into some kind cult of personality, maybe have some reflection on your own personality first?

I'm actually a very stinky person, even if Yoshi were the 2nd coming of Jesus, if he hadn't made the game I want to play he wouldn't get a penny from me.

[Jojoya]

I'm not sure it would be as effective here, as there are a large number of players who would stay subbed no matter how terrible the game is. The Yoshi-P cult of personality is strong.

It's not YoshiP keeping people tied to the game. It's either sunk cost fallacy or...

wait for it...

Some of us are genuinely enjoying the game and don't see a need to quit.

Just because you and others are unhappy doesn't mean there are yet more players still having a good time.

[DPZ2]

I'm not sure it would be as effective here, as there are a large number of players who would stay subbed no matter how terrible the game is. The Yoshi-P cult of personality is strong.

Or there are a large number of players who stay subbed because they enjoy playing every now and then, and are not forced to play every day by the reward systems. Those players also know next to absolutely nothing about who produces the game, although a couple of them might have watched a Live Letter once or twice.

My bet is this is a better explanation: "Coming back to play after being away from the game for a few weeks or months is relatively easy" vs "the raiding scene forces players to stay subbed in order to keep up".

[TheNight]

Or there are a large number of players who stay subbed because they enjoy playing every now and then, and are not forced to play every day by the reward systems. Those players also know next to absolutely nothing about who produces the game, although a couple of them might have watched a Live Letter once or twice.

My bet is this is a better explanation: "Coming back to play after being away from the game for a few weeks or months is relatively easy" vs "the raiding scene forces players to stay subbed in order to keep up".

The raids are literally designed to force people to stay subbed to keep up. What are you talking about.

[Stormpeaks]

Or there are a large number of players who stay subbed because they enjoy playing every now and then, and are not forced to play every day by the reward systems. Those players also know next to absolutely nothing about who produces the game, although a couple of them might have watched a Live Letter once or twice.

My bet is this is a better explanation: "Coming back to play after being away from the game for a few weeks or months is relatively easy" vs "the raiding scene forces players to stay subbed in order to keep up".

Even I dont even do actual savage content and stuff and I know for a fact that the system is MADE by design to keep people subscribed, if you want to gear another job to savage gear, it takes literally months and months

[Raven2014]

Or there are a large number of players who stay subbed because they enjoy playing every now and then, and are not forced to play every day by the reward systems. Those players also know next to absolutely nothing about who produces the game, although a couple of them might have watched a Live Letter once or twice.

That's me. I'm "happy enough" with the game (for the most part). But I'm not devoted enough to keep up or follow the game like a "fan" would, the total number of live letter, community event, fanfest I had attended is one big massive "zero" in the 10 years I've been playing the game. I usually only catch up with some summarize vid or 2nd-hand knowledge Hell, I don't even read the majority of the patch note most of the time.

I think the reason why these kind of discussion is often so toxic is because people assumed only 2 camps: either you're a devoted fan to the game or you're part of the doomsayer cult, yet I bet most players are just don't care enough to be in either one of those. Just like politic, the discussion are controlled by the most vocal and loudest extreme of the left and the right, yet the biggest voting block is the often quiet independent. In this case, the millions of people who leisurely spending their time inside the game.

The raids are literally designed to force people to stay subbed to keep up. What are you talking about.

Keep up with ... what? Exactly? The whole tier is designed to be clear day 1 in crafted gears, which get dirt cheap over time. SWe're into the 8th(?) week of savage now? And guess what, plenty of people still learning the fight, I still see plenty clear parties in PF. Almost every week I run into someone trying to get a fresh alt through savage. Most party in the early floor don't even put a ilvl lock, assuming you can be arse to spend maybe an hours to watch a vid and a couple hour to learn the fight, you can start clearing savage right now. 2 months after it was released.

So if it's not clear, what else are you keeping up with? BiS? That's just to keep up with cute number on a third party website, and it's not the game's fault some players feel the need to impress people they'll never meet in real life for internet brownie point. Outside of Ultimate, BiS has never been a thing that the game imposes on the players, that's just a mental thing that a certain section of the community force on themselves, and I don't think it's fair to fault the game for that.

[Jojoya]

The raids are literally designed to force people to stay subbed to keep up. What are you talking about.

Then why do people complain they have nothing to do?

For that matter, why bother farming gear for multiple jobs if the content is as bad as you like to claim?

[Atelier-Bagur]

The raids are literally designed to force people to stay subbed to keep up. What are you talking about.

No it's not. You don't need the raid or savage gear to keep up with the next patch because of tomestone/crafted/new dungeon gear which anyone can get easily, which will meet the very minimal ilv requirements to do the next batch of patch msq and endgame content.

Savage gear is literally there to fill the endless sense of dopamine on the players who want to see big numbers and efficiency for doing the optional harder content that is optional.

If anything the only thing that's being forced is the player itself for valuing Savage gear so highly in a game that lacks meaty endgame hard content that requires to put in a lot of work or effort to keep with ilvs to do most of the content casuals can already access.

[Koros]

No it's not. You don't need the raid or savage gear to keep up with the next patch because of tomestone/crafted/new dungeon gear which anyone can get easily, which will meet the very minimal ilv requirements to do the next batch of patch msq and endgame content.

Savage gear is literally there to fill the endless sense of dopamine on the players who want to see big numbers and efficiency for doing the optional harder content that is optional.

If anything the only thing that's being forced is the player itself for valuing Savage gear so highly in a game that lacks meaty endgame hard content that requires to put in a lot of work or effort to keep with ilvs to do most of the content casuals can already access.

spoken like a true casual

you need it for criterion savage and ultimates

[Atelier-Bagur]

spoken like a true casual

you need it for criterion savage and ultimates

Oh yeah because I'm sure criterion are something people are craving about with its materia rewards so everybody is doing them right?

Also ultimates come very, very sparse within patch cycles, so this still proves my point that savage gear is mostly irrelevant.