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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    As much as raw damage being the most important stat is true, being able to get a large amount of STR on HQ Cobalt Claws, which will have just barely less raw damage than the Honeyclaws, and also opening up your ring slots for 30-36 more STR I imagine can quite readily beat it out.

    In the end though, only testing can prove conclusive.
    I base my claim on posts in the LNC&DRG stat testing thread and most specifically this post by Peptaru:

    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
    I just know from playing with a double melded demilune vs. ifrits that the dmg isn't even close, ifrit's blows it away. Its a 30 point difference instead of 16, which makes the difference much much more noticable. I had a great lance til i got ifrits, it took me two seconds to decide which was way better.
    The differences between the highest level crafted weapon and Ifrit's are quite different between weapon types, and the axe is perhaps the one where Ifrit's outshines its crafted rivals the most, but I don't believe the claws are an exception. Of course the Honeyclaws don't even have quite the base damage of Ifrit's, but it's close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frein View Post
    I base my claim on posts in the LNC&DRG stat testing thread and most specifically this post by Peptaru:



    The differences between the highest level crafted weapon and Ifrit's are quite different between weapon types, and the axe is perhaps the one where Ifrit's outshines its crafted rivals the most, but I don't believe the claws are an exception. Of course the Honeyclaws don't even have quite the base damage of Ifrit's, but it's close.
    Take a look at this:

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdragontyr View Post
    You also need to consider Colbalt Claws+1. Colbalt Claws+1 have 123 damage, only four less then Honeyclaws, wihout the -acc, with the addition of being able to meld STR. I really don't see much use in any of the -acc weapons, as there are better alternatives for each one.
    So, just how much does a difference of 4 make, and can a solid multi-meld of STR and lack of accuracy penalty cover that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    So, just how much does a difference of 4 make, and can a solid multi-meld of STR and lack of accuracy penalty cover that.
    Would you really want to try multi-melding a +1? I probably would not consider investing so much into a sub-Ifrit weapon. If the cost was a non-issue, I'm sure someone would have tested both weapons and reported the results in this thread by now. Also, while Honeyclaws have a significant accuracy penalty, they also come with a very large attack bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frein View Post
    Would you really want to try multi-melding a +1? I probably would not consider investing so much into a sub-Ifrit weapon. If the cost was a non-issue, I'm sure someone would have tested both weapons and reported the results in this thread by now. Also, while Honeyclaws have a significant accuracy penalty, they also come with a very large attack bonus.
    I'm aware of the stats on the Honeyclaws. Also, the discussion here is not cost-efficiency. It is simply about what is better than the other.

    It is common practice to make HQ weapons/gear for multi-melding due to the increased success rate. So a multi-melded Cobalt Claws +1 I can see being overall better for a MNK that does not have Ifrit's Claws.
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