Sorry, but Content deal finder again.....

[Pyretta_Blaze]

And yes, WoW did require you to physically travel and enter the dungeon before you could use it in dungeon finder.

I don't know when they changed it but that is not true anymore. Right after Cataclysm came out I used the content finder and I had never even been anywhere near where we were taken to. Possibly it was bugged? I don't know.

But above posters are right, we are all thinking of how WoW did it and I'm sure FFXIV will be different. And yes, we won't be forced to use it and still can build our own parties.

This will be great for casual players; I keep hoping we will get some stuff for us less than casual players though.

[Risae]

Wow. Looks like it'll be Warcraft all over again. God dammit Yoshi! WoW =/= Final Fantasy.

[Jinko]

I don't know when they changed it but that is not true anymore. Right after Cataclysm came out I used the content finder and I had never even been anywhere near where we were taken to. Possibly it was bugged? I don't know.

They changed it sometime during 3.0 (WoTLK).

Wow. Looks like it'll be Warcraft all over again. God dammit Yoshi! WoW =/= Final Fantasy.

Sounds delicious.

[Tibian]

Probably same people who refuse to talk to tourists lol.

Mind boggles me in-game "I like to join random people on my server, but not random people from another server, no no those outsiders are EVIL!"

Easily the most sense in this thread.

[Xatsh]

Unless SE makes content finder have a massive penalty (like severly reduced drop rate and XP) or make normal partys have bonus xp and higher drops (like 20-30xs higher) ppl will simply use content finders for everything.

Look at every game around. Ask for help on a dungeon or try to put one together.... everyone will just say que up.

SE better have something that makes being in a guild and doing "Guild" runs far far superior to doing finder versions. OR you will end up with a horribly designed mmo where a guild is nothing but a private chat channel, you will get a lobby/instance scenario, and your server community will mean absolutely nothing. If you screw someone over or steal something... you should be shunned and forced to quit... dungeon finder is permission to ninja loot and steal with no direct consequences.

The negatives far outweigh the positives on this one. People want to get partys quickly... they need to use the search features in the game now. This forcing us to use Content finders to get partys is BS. and that is exactly what this is going to do. As a guild leader I can say easily a content finder is all negative and no positive in terms of that as well.


Yoshida needs to detail this 100% of what it will be like, because atm all there is statements saying it is being added and people only have other mainstream mmos to judge what it will be like. We need and deserve to know if it will destroy this game as a true mmo or not.

[viion]

Unless SE makes content finder have a massive penalty (like severly reduced drop rate and XP) or make normal partys have bonus xp and higher drops (like 20-30xs higher) ppl will simply use content finders for everything.

Look at every game around. Ask for help on a dungeon or try to put one together.... everyone will just say que up.

Right because even tho there is a perfectly functional search party system, everyone still shouts anyway and the people joining/shoutly likely wont be using it, and no one /sh's "use it!"

Adding a feature that perfectly works doesnt make it an instant "everyone will just use it! /cry"

But please, do tell me these "negatives" that outweight the positives?

Faster EXP PT's
Easier EXP PT's
More community driven
Meet new friends
Play with others on different servers
Get into content quicker
Get into content easier
Possible future uses (PVP)
etc

What is your "negative" list?

If you screw someone over or steal something... you should be shunned and forced to quit... dungeon finder is permission to ninja loot and steal with no direct consequences.

I am sorry but THIS HAPPENS ANYWAY, get your delusional head out of fairy land, not to mention, you cant really "steal" loot for some stuff, Ifrit for example. For the Raids, people steal anyway, people keep items they wont use in the raids now, does anything happen? No.

If you dont want to risk it, hey DONT USE THE SYSTEM. Go with your linkshell. Dont ruin it for the rest of us because you insanely paranoid about something that already goes on....

[Sephrick]

Unless SE makes content finder have a massive penalty (like severly reduced drop rate and XP) or make normal partys have bonus xp and higher drops (like 20-30xs higher) ppl will simply use content finders for everything.

I don't understand the basis for this. I certainly know my LS will stick together with or without a content finder.

But there are some times on a free day when six or seven members would like to do something while others are off crafting or something of that nature and a content finder would be awesome at that point.

Especially if it prioritized same server first.

Look at every game around. Ask for help on a dungeon or try to put one together.... everyone will just say que up.

"Every game around" is a broad statement. Go to XI just after the release of ToAU and ask for help with a CoP mission. Chances are you'd hear crickets. Or maybe you'd get a full party but with nary a tank to be found.

There are plenty of examples of how there's ups and downs on both sides.

SE better have something that makes being in a guild and doing "Guild" runs far far superior to doing finder versions. OR you will end up with a horribly designed mmo where a guild is nothing but a private chat channel, you will get a lobby/instance scenario, and your server community will mean absolutely nothing. If you screw someone over or steal something... you should be shunned and forced to quit... dungeon finder is permission to ninja loot and steal with no direct consequences.

Or human nature can take it's course and people can find their own reasons to stick with an LS. Like efficiency through familiarity, a structured system of loot distribution and dedication through camaraderie.

The negatives far outweigh the positives on this one. People want to get partys quickly... they need to use the search features in the game now. This forcing us to use Content finders to get partys is BS. and that is exactly what this is going to do. As a guild leader I can say easily a content finder is all negative and no positive in terms of that as well.

Everything has ups and downs. But none of what you said is remotely "make or break."

[Tibian]

Unless SE makes content finder have a massive penalty (like severly reduced drop rate and XP) or make normal partys have bonus xp and higher drops (like 20-30xs higher) ppl will simply use content finders for everything.

Once again. Do not punish people for trying. Reward those that do well.

SE better have something that makes being in a guild and doing "Guild" runs far far superior to doing finder versions.

They don't have to. Playing with people you're familiar with is easily better for several reasons. First of all, you have the familiarity and comfort of how your guildmates play and respond to different scenarios. Secondly, you don't have to worry about people failing or explaining content to complete strangers. Third, if you continue to have the same people in a group, you don't have to worry about loot issues/discrepancies.

OR you will end up with a horribly designed mmo where a guild is nothing but a private chat channel, you will get a lobby/instance scenario, and your server community will mean absolutely nothing.

Pretty sure XIV is more restricted now regarding communication than any other MMO on the market, even those with content finder. No global chat, no zone chat, pathetic shout range, and a lack luster search system.

If you screw someone over or steal something... you should be shunned and forced to quit... dungeon finder is permission to ninja loot and steal with no direct consequences.

No it isn't. A proper loot system mitigates these issues quite dramatically. As it stands now XIVs looting systems can be taken advantage of much more than many other MMOs.

The negatives far outweigh the positives on this one.

No they don't.

[Jinko]

SE better have something that makes being in a guild and doing "Guild" runs far far superior to doing finder versions.

This is soooo not true.

In other MMO's I always preferred to party up with my guild members before using a content finder, FFXIV will be no different.

Yea you will get those people that will always prefer to do content with the finder but that's up to them, there is no reason why you can't get 6/8 people from your guild and get the last 2 from the content finder.

dungeon finder is permission to ninja loot and steal with no direct consequences.

How would someone ninja loot if you are using a need before greed system ? (Especially if they code it so that a person can't need an item if they can't use it/ aren't levelled high enough)

This is exactly my point with people who scream don't want before even thinking it through.

[Pyretta_Blaze]

Faster EXP PT's
Easier EXP PT's
More community driven
Meet new friends
Play with others on different servers
Get into content quicker
Get into content easier
Possible future uses (PVP)

I don't understand how a system that (probably) randomly puts together a party can be considered "More community driven". Also, while I am always on board to “Meet new friends” you don’t tend to really get to know someone on 1 PUG run. Again I really only have Wow to compare it to but I couldn’t name 1 person on my server who I became friends with after a content finder party, much less someone from a different server.

And for some of us, what you list as a positive is a negative for us. "Faster, Easier and quicker" for example, the game is already pretty darn fast and easy right now... Just this past weekend I was in a XP party where one of the guys had only been playing 2 days and he was saying he was sad how easy it was to get to level 30.

But then again I can choose to just not use it. I just hope there will be enough likeminded people for me to still play with once everyone else is queuing up for random PUGs.

Again I don’t have a real problem with any of it for casual type content but I still have yet to see any indication there will be something more challenging for that playstyle.