[6.0 - 6.4 Spoilers] An interesting video detailing Venat's polarizing reception

[thegreatonemal]

Right, anytime ill be there. Wow its totally not like ive literally been unsubbed for the past year and a half and obviously havent been able to post on here. But sure yes ive immediately come rushing everytime someone posts something on here, i just circumvented the forum rules of not being able to post while unsubbed. Also funny how you act like im the only one that comes rushing in, when theres specific pro-venat ones that do the same. Again, this is the bias im talking about with you and Sanna.

I will say though again, its sad to see you try so hard to downplay the video when really i know it makes you all seethe, seeing all those comments of people agreeing and calling the character out for what she is. Also...not really sure how this is derailing when this thread is literally about a video calling out Venat's actions. You really do try so hard to silence people and stifle discussion its outright pathetic.

The victim mentality is real strong in you. You wanna be oppressed so bad. So you probably go to twitter or reddit and as soon as you resub you're already back here. Sorry I don't keep track of you. It just you pop up in all these threads without fail and when you're gone these threads don't pop up so much. Just seems to be the usual people on this forum in particular who refuse to drop this issue.

@above You must of missed the cutscene where she gave her reasonable reasons for not telling people. I'm guessing that was left out of the video entirely. Thankfully somebody on the first page posted the quote. Please go read it and then ask yourself why it probably isn't in that video. If they did include it they probably dismiss it in someway.

[Eisi]

@above You must of missed the cutscene where she gave her reasonable reasons for not telling people. I'm guessing that was left out of the video entirely. Thankfully somebody on the first page posted the quote. Please go read it and then ask yourself why it probably isn't in that video. If they did include it they probably dismiss it in someway.

Yeah probably!

[KageTokage]

I have a hard time considering it a reasonable course of action to refrain telling the highest authorities on the star about an impending apocalypse when that's the very first thing the Scions did when they got back from the moon after Zodiark's destruction.

It does ultimately end up keeping the turning incidents from spiraling out of control in the less affected regions, as it had less to do with the sundered having any kind of innate despair tolerance and more just knowing what the heck was going on.

[Kazhar]

@above You must of missed the cutscene where she gave her reasonable reasons for not telling people. I'm guessing that was left out of the video entirely.

It was in the video, in the excuses section.
It begs to question why you're here talking about a video you aren't even interested in watching, then complain about derailment (and cherrypicking too!), ironic.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The victim mentality is real strong in you. You wanna be oppressed so bad. So you probably go to twitter or reddit and as soon as you resub you're already back here. Sorry I don't keep track of you. It just you pop up in all these threads without fail and when you're gone these threads don't pop up so much. Just seems to be the usual people on this forum in particular who refuse to drop this issue.

It has nothing to do with me being the victim. It has everything to do with calling out you and the others like you who act this way towards anyone who criticizes anything including the story. The fact that you guys like to play the game of “your opinion is in the minority” when you guys have basically made people scared to even come out and say anything at all is ridiculous. That’s why videos like these are important because they give people a space they can actually be open and acknowledge the issues of the story without getting berated by you and others for having the “wrong opinion.” Especially when you try and critique things that are literally answered in the video. Both you and another poster have the issue of critiquing the video without even watching it but then asking for evidence for story points. Get real.

[Cleretic]

I have a hard time considering it a reasonable course of action to refrain telling the highest authorities on the star about an impending apocalypse when that's the very first thing the Scions did when they got back from the moon after Zodiark's destruction.

It does ultimately end up keeping the turning incidents from spiraling out of control in the less affected regions, as it had less to do with the sundered having any kind of innate despair tolerance and more just knowing what the heck was going on.

Venat had a very good and immediately understandable reason not to tell the Convocation, despite that being what she'd do in any other situation by her own admission: because she knows what their standard procedure is going to be to finding out this unknown, and that it's not going to help. (We also know this, because Emet does exactly their 'standard procedure' with Hermes and Meteion and only makes things worse.)

On the other hand, you might remember that there's a certain pretty big step between 'Zodiark dying' and 'coming back from the moon'! A step that proved that, while there's hardly a 'highest authority' on the Source, there is one that's a few steps ahead of the Scions on this particular subject, for which this whole subject is very much a known situation, and should probably be the first point of contact on getting back down there. Said authority is hardly an inherently trustworthy power, and proved that extremely clearly just a bit earlier in Endwalker, but given the scenario put in front of the Scions, were a clear first point of call.

Far from being parallel situations that should or could be handled in parallel ways, these are actually exact mirrors that require opposite approaches: Venat was faced with a situation that gave her clear evidence on who she couldn't contact, while the Scions were faced with a situation that gave them only one option as to who to contact. I don't find seeing the differences here especially complicated, and I'm sure you don't, either.

[Eisi]

Venat had a very good and immediately understandable reason not to tell the Convocation, despite that being what she'd do in any other situation by her own admission: because she knows what their standard procedure is going to be to finding out this unknown, and that it's not going to help. (We also know this, because Emet does exactly their 'standard procedure' with Hermes and Meteion and only makes things worse.)

Is this headcanon or has this been stated somewhere? If I remember correctly her stated reason was not that the convocation's regular procedure upon learning about the fate of the star would be of no help, but that she feared Hermes and that's percisely why she didn't resort to what she'd usually do. So basically Venat herself only didn't resort to standard procedure because Hermes was such a wildcard who wouldn't react predictably. Which of course doesn't make any sense.

[Kazhar]

Is this headcanon or has this been stated somewhere? If I remember correctly her stated reason was not that the convocation's regular procedure upon learning about the fate of the star would be of no help, but that she feared Hermes and that's percisely why she didn't resort to what she'd usually do. So basically Venat herself only didn't resort to standard procedure because Hermes was such a wildcard who wouldn't react predictably. Which of course doesn't make any sense.

Headcanon, she explains her reasons plainly before her big cutscene (it would upset Hermes, it would create mass panic, she wants Hermes trial to be fair) and none of them have anything to do with a disagreement with their procedures. It's a baseless assumption.

All the times she mentions the Convocation her opinion of them seems mostly positive. She defends the Convocation in front of her followers in 5.2, she initially think it would be unlike her to oppose them when the WoL talks about her future, and I don't buy that her opinion would change after seeing Emet-Selch confront Hermes: she was, herself, a Convocation member for long enough to change multiple laws and earn the white robe.

I don't remember her showing disapproval with Emet-Selch's methods at any point. Until she hears Meteion's report (and have a visible reaction to it, because this is how the writers do it when they want to get a point across), she's on the same side as everyone else.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Headcanon, she explains her reasons plainly before her big cutscene (it would upset Hermes, it would create mass panic, she wants Hermes trial to be fair) and none of them have anything to do with a disagreement with their procedures. It's a baseless assumption.

All the times she mentions the Convocation her opinion of them seems mostly positive. She defends the Convocation in front of her followers in 5.2, she initially think it would be unlike her to oppose them when the WoL talks about her future, and I don't buy that her opinion would change after seeing Emet-Selch confront Hermes: she was, herself, a Convocation member for long enough to change multiple laws and earn the white robe.

I don't remember her showing disapproval with Emet-Selch's methods at any point. Until she hears Meteion's report (and have a visible reaction to it, because this is how the writers do it when they want to get a point across), she's on the same side as everyone else.

Be careful. That’s an awful lot of actual logic and in game evidence being used. Don’t get accused of bad faith now.

[SannaR]

Are we calling a fairly educated guess based on what we know headcannon now? We know from the last Pandeamonium raid that in the Aetherial Sea Lahabreha after being told the part he played he practically says he'd probably would go and do the same actions with little to no regrets. She isn't hesitant to inform or work with the Convocation until Hermes goes off his rocker. Is all that Cleretic wrote verbatim and can be backed up by direct quotes by the game, short stories or Q&A? No, yet it's a very most likely scenario based on the facts we have of how things went down. Or her on going thought process on how to proceed as things unfolded. Considering how old she is and how rarely it's members seem to be replaced I doubt there's a great many who weren't apart of the Convocation by the time our past self was made Azem. The newest members that we know of are Azem, Emet-Slech, and Fandaniel post Elpis.