Revelations from Patch 6.4: The Dark Throne

[SannaR]

This past weekend I went and read some more of that Korean Q&A and it made more sense as to why Vrtra didn't want to eat via his smoll Varshahn body. I guess even though those bodies are capable of eating food they don't have a digestive track according to a question that was asked about said bodies.

[WellGramarye]

Pandemonium

So, I've had this problem with the Pandemonium Raid ending. Bread and Eric, are memories implanted on random souls, sure fine, but Themnibus is supposedly his real soul.

How?

Chronologically, the last we see of him, is on the First. We defeat him and suck his aether and by extension soul into the Crystal Tower. Then we use said aethersoul to power the tower to back in time to Elpis. There should be nothing left of him for Athena to mess with, never the less for him to perhaps reincarnate. Not only that, all this happened on a separate shard from the Source. Did Athena reach across the barrier between the shards and pull a tiny piece out of the Crystal Tower that's admittedly still running its time travel gate? This whole bit has been driving me nuts.

[Iscah]

Pandemonium

So, I've had this problem with the Pandemonium Raid ending. Bread and Eric, are memories implanted on random souls, sure fine, but Themnibus is supposedly his real soul.

How?

Chronologically, the last we see of him, is on the First. We defeat him and suck his aether and by extension soul into the Crystal Tower. Then we use said aethersoul to power the tower to back in time to Elpis. There should be nothing left of him for Athena to mess with, never the less for him to perhaps reincarnate. Not only that, all this happened on a separate shard from the Source. Did Athena reach across the barrier between the shards and pull a tiny piece out of the Crystal Tower that's admittedly still running its time travel gate? This whole bit has been driving me nuts.

We know Hydaelyn was able to transfer Minfilia and Hades' souls to the Source, as she tells us early in Endwalker, so it's quite possible she could do the same for Themis later if there is anything left of him to retrieve. Perhaps using up all his remaining aether unbound his soul from the tower rather than destroying it.

[WellGramarye]

It feels like a pretty big plot hole/oversight imo. When we used him to fuel the tower, the way he talked about the act of using him as fuel, was that this was a finite thing. It was a sacrifice on his part, and that his soul would be destroyed for good.

It seems you might be right though, from the journal entry of Hope Upon a Flower:

Perhaps inspired by an impossible memory of you in that ancient time and place, Elidibus suggests that you travel to Elpis in the past. At his instruction, you open a pathway to your destination, and step into the portal. The magick consumes Elidibus's essence once and for all, and he goes to join his beloved brethren as you journey to your distant destination in search of salvation.

That last line seems to really contradict itself though, if it consumes his essence once and for all, how can he join his brethern? Ha.

[Alleluia]

We know Hydaelyn was able to transfer Minfilia and Hades' souls to the Source, as she tells us early in Endwalker, so it's quite possible she could do the same for Themis later if there is anything left of him to retrieve. Perhaps using up all his remaining aether unbound his soul from the tower rather than destroying it.

It could be another sign the lifestreams are connecting, or are close enough to, in the aetherial sea now that Hydaelyn isn't keeping them separated anymore. And Athena, being in the center of the aetherial sea for Etherys, had enough access to grab the bits of him that were in the 1st's.

It feels like a pretty big plot hole/oversight imo. When we used him to fuel the tower, the way he talked about the act of using him as fuel, was that this was a finite thing. It was a sacrifice on his part, and that his soul would be destroyed for good.

It seems you might be right though, from the journal entry of Hope Upon a Flower:


That last line seems to really contradict itself though, if it consumes his essence once and for all, how can he join his brethern? Ha.

Could mean soul aether, aka the life essence/energy of a person, and his memory aether moved on into the lifestream?

Honestly, the types of aether thing is still too vaguely defined for my tastes.