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  1. #71
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    Mr_Gyactus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    Going up to someone's face and saying, "I don't think your product is worth the asking price" isn't rude in haggle cultures where it's expected, but definitely sounds like it could be interpreted as rude in Japanese depending on the tone and specific phrasing used.
    It's rude in the whole solar system, not only in Japan.
    That phrase implies he is a cheater.
    If a plumber came to your house and you answered like that (about the repair he did or the new bath), the plumber would probably find an alternative way to use the hoses.
    (3)
    I have 10,000 needles,
    I'm not a weaver,
    and I'm not scared to use them.

  2. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Nothing wrong with saying it gets tiresome. Thick skin or thin, I think most of us would agree that trolling gets tiresome.
    Indeed. As far as I can tell its not like he is poo-pooing any criticism he gets, he seems to just be pointing out how tiresome trolls and the like can be (This forum alone proves that…) I know some people like to treat Yoshi-P as if he is the devil recently, but I do not see why he should be bared from speaking honestly about such stuff. Its not a weakness to acknowledge it.
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  3. #73
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    Some of the very same content creators and influencers he invites to his exclusive events regularly insult and harass those who voice even polite criticism on Twitter. His words would ring less hollow if legitimate concerns regarding the game weren't attacked by what has very much become his own personal army - intentionally or otherwise. For example, during the marketing phase it was obvious from footage of the game that regular enemies were arguably too easy and provided little challenge. The demo proved as much, as did the release of the game itself.

    Nonetheless, quite often those concerns were shot down by those who had been invited to play the game and who had a financial incentive to cosy up to Yoshi-P and his latest product rather than admit to any flaws. In between telling their followers to please purchase the Torgal plushie that they received as a freebie, they were branding anyone who was critical as a 'hater'.

    I'd be curious to learn if he brought that up during his interview.

    Even in regards to FFXIV, I've noticed similar trends. Everything from tone policing to spinning personal tastes and likes/dislikes as some horrific and controversial thing when they're just preferences towards a video game.
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Some of the very same content creators and influencers he invites to his exclusive events regularly insult and harass those who voice even polite criticism on Twitter.

    To be honest, Theodric, we are in the worst age of "content creation"...negativity and drama sells and that is what most of them seek everyday, everytime. Yoshida is partially wrong but he can't be too much restrictive or FFXIV may lose some space on stream platforms.
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    Last edited by Elissar; 07-27-2023 at 10:22 AM.

  5. #75
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    YoshiP: Trolls suck.


    Trolls: OMG GET A THICKER SKIN, CAN'T YOU EVEN TAKE ANY CRITICISM, WHY ARE YOU EVEN THE ONE IN YOUR JOB


    .... Yes they do.
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

  6. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    YoshiP: Trolls suck.


    Trolls: OMG GET A THICKER SKIN, CAN'T YOU EVEN TAKE ANY CRITICISM, WHY ARE YOU EVEN THE ONE IN YOUR JOB


    .... Yes they do.
    Here's a little pin for you for defending the multi million dollars company, you're welcome

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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    YoshiP: Trolls suck.

    Trolls: OMG GET A THICKER SKIN, CAN'T YOU EVEN TAKE ANY CRITICISM, WHY ARE YOU EVEN THE ONE IN YOUR JOB

    .... Yes they do.
    Yoshi P: look at these troll comments that are so tiresome!

    'troll' comments given as the example: *criticism*

    critical people: you need thicker skin

    white knights: See? They really are trolls! They suck!

    fify

    Yoshi P isn't going to love you back.


    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Here's a little pin for you for defending the multi million dollars company, you're welcome
    The pin should be a picture of this meme scotch-taped to their shirt:

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    Last edited by AwesomeJr44; 07-27-2023 at 11:08 AM.

  8. #78
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    There is a vast difference between the hostile trolling I have seen, and genuine actual feedback. Constructive feedback is always welcome. Trolling and some of the vitriol I have seen dished out here?

    No.

    In between telling their followers to please purchase the Torgal plushie that they received as a freebie, they were branding anyone who was critical as a 'hater'.
    Where and when did this happen?
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    Last edited by VelKallor; 07-27-2023 at 11:09 AM.

  9. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Here's a little pin for you for defending the multi million dollars company, you're welcome
    Congrats on misconstruing what I said to attempt a zap.

    Dude said trolls were tiresome.. and you guys are.


    Square enix is a company and not worthy of defense or praise. Mr. Yoshida is a person who gets exasperated sometimes and said a thing that almost anyone would and people act like (or at least will post) it was some sort of weakness or faux pas.

    Thanks for demonstrating his point.

    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post

    Yoshi P isn't going to love you back.
    Unlike you, I don't need randoms to validate my existence. But here's some attention so you can think you're relevant in some way.
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    Last edited by Krotoan; 07-27-2023 at 11:16 AM.
    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

  10. #80
    Player AwesomeJr44's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    There is a vast difference between the hostile trolling I have seen, and genuine actual feedback. Constructive feedback is always welcome. Trolling and some of the vitriol I have seen dished out here?

    No.


    FFXIV Forum's most vitriolic poster talks about trolling and vitriol they've seen. This and more after these messages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    None of the "trolling" any of you have seen is what Yoshi P is talking about lmao
    True. It's about FFXVI, so people should stop trying to tie it to FFXIV in an attempt to say "see? look at all those nasty FFXIV 'trolls', Yoshi P is sad because they're bullying him!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    Unlike you, I don't need randoms to validate my existence
    I'm not the one simping for a dude who doesn't know either of us exist lol
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    Last edited by AwesomeJr44; 07-27-2023 at 11:26 AM.

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