What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Heroman3003]

Frankly, yes. Every time I see the title, the only association I have is "oh, its that old 'obvious bait' thread". And the head post's 'criticisms' are hoenstly example of completely failing to grasp the story, or intentionally misinterpreting it. So yesah, I do think origin of this post is 'bad faith ragebait' and therefore will struggle to take any discussion under such a header as good faith regardless of how in-depth its been or how long its been going.

[Theodric]

Frankly, yes. Every time I see the title, the only association I have is "oh, its that old 'obvious bait' thread". And the head post's 'criticisms' are hoenstly example of completely failing to grasp the story, or intentionally misinterpreting it. So yesah, I do think origin of this post is 'bad faith ragebait' and therefore will struggle to take any discussion under such a header as good faith regardless of how in-depth its been or how long its been going.

No, it isn't bad faith at all.

See my prior post. A fair few of us have banded together to source our arguments into a video series explaining exactly why Endwalker doesn't fit together or make much sense. The criticism isn't coming out of nowhere and neither is it a case of 'not understanding the story'.

[Heroman3003]

No, it isn't bad faith at all.

See my prior post. A fair few of us have banded together to source our arguments into a video series explaining exactly why Endwalker doesn't fit together or make much sense. The criticism isn't coming out of nowhere and neither is it a case of 'not understanding the story'.

Again, I talk about the perception I, and many others possibly, have of this purely based on the impression given by this thread's overall tone. Frankly, I do not believe story is above criticisms, but way too often do I see criticisms of "Endwalker ruined it" that actually make no sense, either due to being exactly same 'pitfalls' as storytelling of previous expansions, or because the poster actively ignores things to make their argument work. I don't think the story is perfect, and there were several moments I wished it'd focus on different things that I believe would have improved on it a lot. I don't think it's bad in the end, and enjoyed it regardless, but I've seen way too much completely bad faith trolling in regards to the EW story quality to take any criticisms made under flag of ragebait-named thread as genuine, especially considering, despite some actually interesting discussion I've seen in this thread, it's all bogged down and watered out with a lot of simple troll and anti-troll posts on both ends, to the point where it can be hard to tell the difference between those genuinely voicing their thought out opinions or just trying to get a reacton with "EW worst story ever because Alisae didn't die" level criticisms. That's why I called it a circlejerk ultimately - because with how watered down any criticism is with trolling that occurs in same direction, it's hard to tell the difference between legit and non-legit, and whole thread gives impression of just 'not legit' on first sight.

[AwesomeJr44]

Again, I talk about the perception I, and many others possibly, have of this purely based on the impression given by this thread's overall tone. Frankly, I do not believe story is above criticisms, but way too often do I see criticisms of "Endwalker ruined it" that actually make no sense, either due to being exactly same 'pitfalls' as storytelling of previous expansions, or because the poster actively ignores things to make their argument work. I don't think the story is perfect, and there were several moments I wished it'd focus on different things that I believe would have improved on it a lot. I don't think it's bad in the end, and enjoyed it regardless, but I've seen way too much completely bad faith trolling in regards to the EW story quality to take any criticisms made under flag of ragebait-named thread as genuine, especially considering, despite some actually interesting discussion I've seen in this thread, it's all bogged down and watered out with a lot of simple troll and anti-troll posts on both ends, to the point where it can be hard to tell the difference between those genuinely voicing their thought out opinions or just trying to get a reacton with "EW worst story ever because Alisae didn't die" level criticisms. That's why I called it a circlejerk ultimately - because with how watered down any criticism is with trolling that occurs in same direction, it's hard to tell the difference between legit and non-legit, and whole thread gives impression of just 'not legit' on first sight.

So if there are actual troll posts, then just ignore the troll posts instead of branding the entire thread as a circlejerk. Makes it hard to take your opinion seriously when you do.

[AwesomeJr44]

And the head post's 'criticisms' are hoenstly example of completely failing to grasp the story, or intentionally misinterpreting it.

Allow me to turn my universal translator on real quick. Ah, I see. By "the OP's criticisms are examples of failing to understand the story or intentionally misinterpreting it" you meant "the OP thought about the story harder than I did and came to conclusions I didn't like." Sorry about that, I'll leave it on for a bit just in case.