Pickings Are Slim, But This Really Isn't Okay, Is It?

[Kyssa]

The issue here is not whether someone is creating an eyesore within their own plot as allowed.

They are using third party tools to place outdoor furnishings on another player's plot and obstructing the pathway that is not part of their plot.

Are you incapable of understand the difference or merely vision impaired so you are unable to see exactly what is happening?

Exactly. Well put Jojoya. I've seen some stuff people have done on their own plots that's clearly been done using something other than creativity in placement methods. The ward my apartment is in, someone has multiple things floating so high in the air, they're not even use-able.. but as ugly and silly as it is to me, it's not affecting anyone else's space.

I've said it before, and I'll repeat it here. This isn't about being an eyesore. What I think is lovely someone else might think is hideous, and that's okay. It's about being rude, and thoughtless. It's about being selfish and childish enough to make someone deal with stuff in a space that isn't theirs to clutter... both for the person who is having their plot invaded, and the community who has their pathways blocked for months.

[Solowing]

That is up to SE. Players cannot answer that question.



It is up to SE on how they choose to enforce the ToS provisions. Players are not enforcement.


Talk to SE about that. We aren't the ones who enforce the ToS so you're directly those questions to the wrong place..



The issue here is not whether someone is creating an eyesore within their own plot as allowed.

They are using third party tools to place outdoor furnishings on another player's plot and obstructing the pathway that is not part of their plot.

Are you incapable of understand the difference or merely vision impaired so you are unable to see exactly what is happening?

Visual imparement is clearly seeing S.E doesnt see this as a problem. But continuing to push for account action to be taken.
20 pages, multiple reports, trying to get it noticed on Twitter on foxclon, and this thread has been active for months with no resolution. But im visually impaired when its clear as day they dont care? But you cant see it?

Want a perma fix for this? Break all housing add-ons. And this problem will effectively disappear. But if you like Housing add-ons, then this is going to be one of the byproducts of its existence.

[Kyssa]

Visual imparement is clearly seeing S.E doesnt see this as a problem. But continuing to push for account action to be taken.
20 pages, multiple reports, trying to get it noticed on Twitter on foxclon, and this thread has been active for months with no resolution. But im visually impaired when its clear as day they dont care? But you cant see it?

I'm not sure that they don't care, or if the issue their support staff is spread so thin that's easier to dismiss stuff such as this. Who really knows besides SE?

I do know that the people doing this think it's funny and cute, like the guy mentioning that it's his 'favorite museum in Eorzea'. It's exactly no coincidence that this person is listed in the greeting section of the offending plots placard as the "curator", right? I mean, it just boggles the mind that there are people out there who giggle over stuff like this. The REALLY best part of this is that he's outted his main by posting in this thread, as all you have to do is click his posting profile to see it.



The person that won the plot affected by this madness waited 3 years to win a plot. This has to suck for them. But for people like the guy in this thread tittering about his creation, it's some kind of achievement to harass someone. Truly boggling.

[Solowing]

Exactly. Well put Jojoya. I've seen some stuff people have done on their own plots that's clearly been done using something other than creativity in placement methods. The ward my apartment is in, someone has multiple things floating so high in the air, they're not even use-able.. but as ugly and silly as it is to me, it's not affecting anyone else's space.

I've said it before, and I'll repeat it here. This isn't about being an eyesore. What I think is lovely someone else might think is hideous, and that's okay. It's about being rude, and thoughtless. It's about being selfish and childish enough to make someone deal with stuff in a space that isn't theirs to clutter... both for the person who is having their plot invaded, and the community who has their pathways blocked for months.

Solution A: Disable Burn Down the House

Solution B: Reduce the size of placement around the plot.

What other solutions do you guys have in mind to prevent this in the future? Other then disabling the add-on that allowed him to create that in the first place?

[Kyssa]

Solution A: Disable *&^%$*$

Solution B: Reduce the size of placement around the plot.

What other solutions do you guys have in mind to prevent this in the future? Other then disabling the add-on that allowed him to create that in the first place?

I'm okay with either one, personally- but the ball isn't in my court.

I do think that by SE dragging their feet on this, they've compounded the issue and made this worse. I think that players like the ones we're discussing, who find humor in distressing and harassing others should be dealt with swiftly and firmly. I think all items impeding the plot above and walkways should be deleted, the plot removed from the offending player/FC and made available for bidding upon the next lottery cycle and the players perma-banned. 10 to 1, should such punishment occur- I think it'd be rare that this kind of behavior would happen again.

[Solowing]

I'm not sure that they don't care, or if the issue their support staff is spread so thin that's easier to dismiss stuff such as this. Who really knows besides SE?

I do know that the people doing this think it's funny and cute, like the guy mentioning that it's his 'favorite museum in Eorzea'. It's exactly no coincidence that this person is listed in the greeting section of the offending plots placard as the "curator", right? I mean, it just boggles the mind that there are people out there who giggle over stuff like this.

The person that won the plot affected by this madness waited 3 years to win a plot. This has to suck for them. But for people like the guy in this thread tittering about his creation, it's some kind of achievement to harass someone. Truly boggling.

If you want to solve this problem. Disable the addon that allowed him to do it.

Im not laughing about it, im trying to be fair. Hes building within the boundaries hes given, with a add-on they willingly turn a blind eye to.

Hes a jerk for building what he did, with said add-on and its ugly and its in the way.

Should i be able to report anyone who glitches items outside the boundaries? Such as anyone who builds a bridge leading out to a wooden deck that sits outside the plot boundaries regardless of intent?

[Kyssa]

If you want to solve this problem. Disable the addon that allowed him to do it.

Im not laughing about it, im trying to be fair. Hes building within the boundaries hes given, with a add-on they willingly turn a blind eye to.

Hes a jerk for building what he did, with said add-on and its ugly and its in the way.

Should i be able to report anyone who glitches items outside the boundaries? Such as anyone who builds a bridge leading out to a wooden deck that sits outside the plot boundaries regardless of intent?

I hear what you're saying and I know you're playing Devil's Advocate, but as I've said, just because someone has the opportunity to act like a jerk doesn't mean someone should use something that wasn't made with the intent to grief others, to grief others.

While I personally wouldn't report someone for the fence deck thing, if it was done so obnoxiously that it was in your way and blocked your movement, you should report it. I have zero qualms with someone doing something that has no impact on me, or others.. but play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Solowing]

I'm okay with either one, personally- but the ball isn't in my court.

I do think that by SE dragging their feet on this, they've compounded the issue and made this worse. I think that players like the ones we're discussing, who find humor in distressing and harassing others should be dealt with swiftly and firmly. I think all items impeding the plot above and walkways should be deleted, the plot removed from the offending player/FC and made available for bidding upon the next lottery cycle and the players perma-banned. 10 to 1, should such punishment occur- I think it'd be rare that this kind of behavior would happen again.

I feel somewhat conflicted, as If they clearly designed it to grief. But lets say a GM removed the offending items. OK, thats fine. But what if he makes something different but just as annoying? But changed his reasoning to "creativity"? Does it now stand? Does it then become acceptable? Can a GM edit my creations based off how other players feel about it? What if i find someone's legit jump puzzle an eyesore and "blocking my view" or, 5 Namazu Effigy's on the plot next door sound effects driving me crazy can you rid of 4 of them, and tell them they arnt allowed to place that many?"

Its a situation that can get messy rather quickly.

So i rather it go unregulated, then an ever shifting and increasing moderation on what can be created within the space which would also be left up to someones opinion. Player/and/or GM

[Kyssa]

I feel somewhat conflicted, as If they clearly designed it to grief. But lets say a GM removed the offending items. OK, thats fine. But what if he makes something different but just as annoying? But changed his reasoning to "creativity"? Does it now stand? Does it then become acceptable? Can a GM edit my creations based off how other players feel about it? What if i find someone's jump puzzle an eyesore and "blocking my view or, 5 Namazu Effigy's on the plot next door sound effects driving me crazy can you rid of 4 of them, and tell them they arnt allowed to place that many?"

Its a situation that can get messy rather quickly.

First, as someone that almost always has my sound in game off except for when I know there will be great music.. I had no idea those Namazu things made noise. Ugh. Ugly and noisy too? No thanks!

Yeah, I firmly believe they did this to grief those interested in that plot, and heck, even if it didn't start out that way, they've been asked by the new owner to stop. The fact that they come to this thread to gloat shows their intentions.

I think that when someone goes to the extreme that this FC did, there shouldn't be a next time. They should be banned and the plot removed from their custody. Perhaps someday, they'll make new accounts and try again, but have a little more common sense than they previously displayed.

As far as loud Namazu and ugly creations- I have avoided bidding on plots simply for those reasons, well, not the noise, but the visuals around the plot. Those giant purple trees do a wonder to block out ugly things and sound effects can be turned off. So long as my plot is mine alone, I'd be okay if a nightmare neighbor showed up though.

[Solowing]

Is this acceptable?

Is this acceptable?

See, what im trying to say?