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    Noah Orih
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Simple question:

    If they added a Support role to the game, would you refuse to play it?

    ...you might dither and say all sorts of things, but somewhere in your response is probably going to be the concept, if not the words, of you'd try it out, and if you liked it, you would play it.
    So saying you don't want to play Support is incorrect.

    Again, what you advocate for Healers IS for something that is typically called Support in games that have Support as a role.
    To be honest, I don't really think it actually matters what I say. You seem to have decided what my response will be already. Either I say I won't play it and you'll assume I'm lying to one-up you, or I say I would and you'll take that as a personal victory. In reality, the truth is more complex.

    First of all, I'm not looking to play a role on principle. What I care about is what the job is and how it plays. I have nothing against a support role. I have everything against someone who insists that I must prefer a support role because my idea of fun gameplay isn't an icepick lobotomy, and there's no way a "real" healer could be anything but.

    I said it before, and I'll repeat in hopes that it sticks this time. What I want is a job, preferably Sage because I like Sage's style and aesthetic, that meets the following criteria:

    - Offers enough healing throughput to function as a party healer in all forms of content regardless of difficulty.
    - Spends no more than 30% of total action usage on Dosis III or any other hotbar action in any type of content, including while soloing.
    - Roughly 80% of total action usage should be spent on no less than 10-12 hotbar actions.

    The bolded values are based on data taken from Gunbeaker and Black Mage in current savage records and are soft reference points. Gunbreaker is a tank that spends about 30% of its GCDs on its 1-2-3 combo, and as a caster, Black Mage does have a playstyle that revolves around a lot of Fire IV spam and also casts Fire IV as nearly 30% of their actions. Both jobs also spend about 80% of their casts on around 10-12 actions between them, hence why I am using these numbers as a basis. Obviously, the actual design of the job matters a lot, but those are the credentials I want to see before I start actually looking at the design.

    Give me that, and I don't really care what role you want to call that job, whether that be "Healer," "Support," "Flight Attendant," "Cinnamon Roll," "Vacuum Cleaner," or "2003 Ford Thunderbird."
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    Last edited by ty_taurus; 07-23-2023 at 10:46 AM.