VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Allegor]

* During the broadcast, we showcased an image of a Hrothgar character wearing the dragoon gear obtained through Allagan tomestones of comedy that featured a combination of face type and hair style that is not available outside of the development environment. We apologize for any confusion this may have caused for our viewers. (Updated Tuesday, May 23)

Wait, you're telling me that they unironically gave 2B and other objectively bad hairstyles to Hrothgar (I know about the order, I don't care) but their racial hairstyles, the ones made exclusively for Hrothgar, are not meant to be compatible with each other's head....? what kind of backward logic is that.

[XianRo]

Wait, you're telling me that they unironically gave 2B and other objectively bad hairstyles to Hrothgar (I know about the order, I don't care) but their racial hairstyles, the ones made exclusively for Hrothgar, are not meant to be compatible with each other's head....? what kind of backward logic is that.

"outside of development" ok so its been 4 years why arent thet done developing the way the base racial hrothgar hair fits every face????? It really cannot be this hard.
"oh every hrothgar face has a different slightly skull shape" and? whos dumb decision was that??

[Iscah]

Of course there's some logic to it. Of course, it takes work to edit every single hair and head shape for the hats. I get that.

I still hold my ground, at least for PREMIUM, CASH SHOP ITEMS on what already is a Pay to Play MMO, they should be 100% able to wear them.
What's the excuse for not letting us wear, say, the Matoya hat? Even if it clips. Even if you add slits for Viera ears to poke through.
If a modder with a household PC can do it, what's SE's excuse, considering they develop the entire game?

Because it's not about how the hat interacts with the ears, it's about how it interacts with the hair. Matoya's hat is a hat that covers the top of the head but you can still see hair hanging down below it. Therefore it is a hat Viera cannot wear, and being a paid item cannot overcome that limitation. If they could fix it for Matoya's hat, it wouldn't be a fix just for Matoya's hat, it would be a fix for the mechanism of every hat that interacts with the hair in that way.

I don't have any idea what the technical details are, but it seems to be that if it was simple to fix they would have done it from the beginning. They're not averse to giving Viera and Hrothgar headgear where it is compatible – they aren't hiding behind the excuse and giving them nothing at all.

I feel like if there was a straightforward fix to the hair-and-hat-interaction issue, they would have done it. But they're not willing to take the modders' route of just putting the hats over the hair without switching it off.

[Pip_Chick]

Wait, you're telling me that they unironically gave 2B and other objectively bad hairstyles to Hrothgar (I know about the order, I don't care) but their racial hairstyles, the ones made exclusively for Hrothgar, are not meant to be compatible with each other's head....? what kind of backward logic is that.

"is not available outside of the development environment" - This line is so interesting to me. It basically is now a fact that they are working on it, it is not available yet, but it might be at a later date. If not 6.5 then maybe 7.0. I think they are working on it, but it is still in the developmental stage so they can't be open about it, they could be testing how it fits with different headgear, animation and probably just making sure there are no bugs with it or minimum clipping.

It is not a straight-up "no, you won't get this". But more of "we are working on it and can't say more at the moment". Which I think it is fair, they wouldn't want to add hype to something that might not be accessible for a while, at least until it'll be close to release. Also, them apologising for the misconception and getting people's hopes up is good and seems genuine, unlike the ear fiasco this seems to be a genuine mistake with no intention to cause distress or hurt the players.

This is in no way to excuse the fact that this should have been done on day -1 of Hrothgar's release. No race in this game was released in such an unfinished and unpolished state as Hrothgar where they couldn't even use their own hair and had to pay IRL money for around 2 years just to change their hair. I am glad that they solved that issue, but they could have had it be a bit higher on the priority list than it was. Especially since we could clearly see that it was possible in Bozja. And since all NPCs in this game use the same CC as the players to be created, it is clear that the Hrothgar hair was supposed to come much sooner, but for some reason it got pushed back. There is hope for 7.0, but not a lot.

[SturmChurro]

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Not necessarily. The devs could have just been playing around with different parts. It would be nice to think that they are working on it all though.

[HollowedDoll]

Because it's not about how the hat interacts with the ears, it's about how it interacts with the hair. Matoya's hat is a hat that covers the top of the head but you can still see hair hanging down below it. Therefore it is a hat Viera cannot wear, and being a paid item cannot overcome that limitation. If they could fix it for Matoya's hat, it wouldn't be a fix just for Matoya's hat, it would be a fix for the mechanism of every hat that interacts with the hair in that way.

I don't have any idea what the technical details are, but it seems to be that if it was simple to fix they would have done it from the beginning. They're not averse to giving Viera and Hrothgar headgear where it is compatible – they aren't hiding behind the excuse and giving them nothing at all.

I feel like if there was a straightforward fix to the hair-and-hat-interaction issue, they would have done it. But they're not willing to take the modders' route of just putting the hats over the hair without switching it off.

The so called "modder's route" involves more than just putting hats on hair without switching it off and is literally the way it works on every single hair ever made that's not on for viera or hrothgar, I really wish people would stop defending SE it's pure laziness nothing more, the only excuse is they can't just do it for 5 hairs and have it working for those 5, they need to do it on all. If you do the math it's not a small number, but they're creating a bigger backlog for themselves with each hair put on these races...

It's just so exhausting with all these cope posts about how supposedly SE can't do this when random hoodlums who have 0 game dev experience can do it, and that people act like somehow what they do isn't using the exact same mechanism that SE itself does.

[VerdeLuck]

Well the 7.0 features announcement is here. They managed to break headgear into 2 slots but still seem to have no interest in letting viera wear job gear.

I'd say I told you so to the people who said to wait till 7.0 but I'm sure they're going to come up with another excuse why this is still ok.

[XianRo]

One small hope I have now is we will get unbent spines in 7.0 bc the hrothgar spotted walking past alisaie stood straight and didnt lumber or sway his arms awkwardly as is the current hroth walk cycle.
I see people having hope we'll get hats in 7.0 but the hat that hroth wore didnt show his hair...so we could already wear it ala most helms or the rinascita caster habit.

[Pip_Chick]

One small hope I have now is we will get unbent spines in 7.0 bc the hrothgar spotted walking past alisaie stood straight and didnt lumber or sway his arms awkwardly as is the current hroth walk cycle.
I see people having hope we'll get hats in 7.0 but the hat that hroth wore didnt show his hair...so we could already wear it ala most helms or the rinascita caster habit.

Crazy theory, but they might separate the Hrothgar clans into Bozjan natives and Tural natives. The Bozjan natives keep their Hunch, but the Tural natives stand straight. I say that because I saw the one standing straight behind Alisae, but there was also a hunched one in the background.

[Starshower]

Crazy theory, but they might separate the Hrothgar clans into Bozjan natives and Tural natives. The Bozjan natives keep their Hunch, but the Tural natives stand straight. I say that because I saw the one standing straight behind Alisae, but there was also a hunched one in the background.

It would be awesome to have the option! I cant imagine the hrothgals having a hunched back, so I hope they added that and it wasn't just an oversight for the trailer!