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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    This is what I thought, but in practice, it seems like WHM without Lilies, Misery every 60 sec without needing to nourish it, without oGCDs, but with a second AOE GCD but on a 90 sec CD.
    As healer blu, the WHM analogs would be that you have Cure1, Esuna (but it has Medica1 healing around you, and is AOE for some reason), 'Medica 2 but it has a 2min CD', Medica 1 (strotram), and whatever White Wind is trying to be. Oh, and Gobskin, aka 'Succor, but it doesn't do the heal part'. That's actually a good thing in certain cases, as Succor applying a shield 'based on the HP restored' means that if no/less HP is restored (for example, Rathalos Phase 2, or Reduced Healing Received debuffs), the shield is weaker, but with Gobskin/Veil/Shake/Benison, it being a 'shield of potency equal to X potency of healing' means it directly translates over and ignores those debuffs

    After those healing skills, the rest of the hotbars can be utility stuff like Diamondback, and damage kit like Primal CDs. Mostly damage kit, and hoo boy is there a lot of it now. I'm surprised Spell In Waiting wasn't added as a skill to learn as a workaround to get our kit to better fit into Moonflute, because atm, it just doesn't, there's too much
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    Ren Thras
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Of note, most people use Sonic Boom
    Hm.

    I have thought about it, but I like the AOE functionality and (slightly?) higher damage of Electrogenesis. I tried the fire spear from Wonderer's Palace, it is faster and AOE, though it also does less damage.

    I do like that they've added an explicitly Tank positional. Instant, frontal positional, AND does more damage with Mighty Guard active. And yeah, doing all BLU stuff to get my spells, I was super cautious/proactive with my healing. Several of the tanking BLUs commented/complemented me on it since they said they've had poor experiences with other BLU healers that didn't do it (trying to heal like the green Jobs instead despite having no oGCDs) and how it's kind of useful/necessary given the more difficult Tank defensive GCD use.

    There's a new Supranaka with a combo action, Innocence + Mount Gulg (don't know the names yet). The first you use 4 times in a row and it gives you a buff for ~10s, then you can use the other one 3-4 times during that window and it does double damage. At least, that's what I think it means reading the tooltips...

    I also like BLU, but...for different reasons, probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
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    More or less, other than "mostly damage kit". It's about half and half, depending on how much utility stuff you take. Don't forget stuff like Cactaguard or that you can use Mighty Guard as a poor man's Diamondback for short periods (watch out for the agro generation). Most of the damage abilities have long CDs. Most of the spamable damage spells are either single target or different shaped AOEs, and with different animations. The ones that do the same damage have the same cast times as far as I can tell, with some shorter cast time ones but they do less damage.

    Moonflute, on the other hand, is a spell I hate. I don't find sitting around doing literally nothing "fun". Spamming a filler spell at least feels like I'm doing something, and Off-Guard already gives a "burst" effect.
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    There's a new Supranaka with a combo action, Innocence + Mount Gulg (don't know the names yet). The first you use 4 times in a row and it gives you a buff for ~10s, then you can use the other one 3-4 times during that window and it does double damage. At least, that's what I think it means reading the tooltips...
    I thought that too, but I tested it. You only get to use the boosted follow-up once, then the buff falls off. It's an interesting idea, but worth two spell slots on that 90 second cooldown? Eeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh I'd rather just take the Matoya's water AOE (500p, 1000 during rain) and the Titania AOE (800p with 50% falloff) as staple spells. Straightforward oGCD two-minute cooldowns.

    Moonflute, on the other hand, is a spell I hate. I don't find sitting around doing literally nothing "fun". Spamming a filler spell at least feels like I'm doing something, and Off-Guard already gives a "burst" effect.
    You can mitigate this a little bit by ending your Moon Flute burst with a channeled attack like Apokalypsis. It doesn't cancel something you're already doing (though you can't do Phantom Flurry's finisher)
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    Last edited by Semirhage; 07-23-2023 at 05:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    I thought that too, but I tested it. You only get to use the boosted follow-up once, then the buff falls off. It's an interesting idea, but worth two spell slots on that 90 second cooldown? Eeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh I'd rather just take the Matoya's water AOE (500p, 1000 during rain) and the Titania AOE (800p with 50% falloff) as staple spells. Straightforward oGCD two-minute cooldowns.
    Aww, that's disappointing.

    I suppose the nice thing is you could use Conviction as your filler spell. 220 damage to all enemies (in a line before you), 2 sec cast, 2.5 sec recast. You can use it as your filler and then use Reprobation as your big CD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    You can mitigate this a little bit by ending your Moon Flute burst with a channeled attack like Apokalypsis. It doesn't cancel something you're already doing (though you can't do Phantom Flurry's finisher)
    That's interesting and good to know...but I still hate Moonflute and abilities like it. I guess some people like it, but...the nice thing about BLU vs other Jobs, though - we can pick the spells we personally like. So if I dislike that one, I don't have to use it. \o/
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    Last edited by Renathras; 07-23-2023 at 05:54 AM. Reason: Edit for typo

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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Aww, that's disappointing.

    I suppose the nice thing is you could use Conviction as your filler spell. 220 damage to all enemies (in a line before you), 2 sec cast, 2.5 sec recast. You can use it as your filler and then use Reprobation as your big CD.



    That's interesting and good to know...but I still hate Moonflute and abilities like it. I guess some people like it, but...the nice thing about BLU vs other Jobs, though - we can pick the spells we personally like. So if I dislike that one, I don't have to use it. \o/
    Moonflute as a healer? That gives me a ton of anxiety... I'm sure that the 15s of downtime can be placed in a situation where there's no damage rolling, but still, not sure if I'd take that if the dps check didn't require it for healers.
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