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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elissar View Post
    I have some unrealistic expectations too like more open world content, grand company updates, dynamis-based job, revamp of key stormblood moments, better rewards for C&V dungeons and RDM rework.
    Not nit-picking, just curious:

    1) Dynamis Job seems a bit redundant - WoL uses Dynamis no matter which Job you play. That's the lore behind LB as well.

    2) RDM rework? RDM is one of the more smooth and "feels good to play" Jobs right now. It needs a damage/potency increase on its abilities so it's not behind even SMN in damage, but what kind of "rework" does it need? o.O
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    The existing body of lore behind LBs is actually all couched in aetheric terms, where it is remarked upon anyway. Meteion's comment does hint at the WoL using dynamis to fuel it there... but it's also a locale lacking in ambient aether, so it may be they follow an either/or rule. Guess EE3 may clarify it further, but that is my expectation, especially since the ancient trusts in Ktisis Hyperboreia also can and do use LBs.

    Granted, I don't think a dynamis job would add much, it functions like a fuel much as aether does, though it is the weaker of the two, and both are prone to emotional influences (e.g. see the lore added here for the NieR crossover.) It's just more of the defining characteristic for dynamis, but not unique to it. Hermes's short story featured curiosities like the sentient star (but who is to say Etheirys isn't also sentient on some level? It's an unknown...), but with aether itself being shaped by emotions to some extent, it's a case of pick a word and run with it. At least thus far, dynamis is there to allow EW's-plot-as-written to move forward, and that's the extent of it. Could they do more with it? Of course, much as they can do with aether.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 07-16-2023 at 12:42 AM.
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    Now I'm curious, what would a dynamis based job even do to warrant labeling it as such? How would it deviate from Aether based jobs in a sufficient way that you can't just look at it and be like "yeah that could just be another aether job"?
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    Ideally, I'd like to hear at least some info the overhaul they intend to do for Dragoon and Astro. EU and JP fanfest will primarily focus on the new jobs being released so this may be where we get something about the reworks the aforementioned two are undergoing, especially since it was slated for a mid 6.x change.
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    Same stuff new coat of paint.
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  6. #46
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    Well asides from the is, and isn't.
    (and the fact I'd never call myself a lore expert.)

    Many jobs have things alluding to using, or brushing up with dynamis.

    One being largely Dancer, with its specific Drawing out of Emotion which takes form of unknown entities based on peoples emotion that is being drawn out.
    [Though, in Dancer's case it's not so stated for the reasons how or why's it happens, at least in its lore/face value]

    (I mostly feel current jobs when it comes to flavor and interacting/brushing with dynamis largely are the results of indirectly causing and effect. In dancers Case, causing people to expel the target emotion in such a way that it can be dealt with.)

    [But again, no lore expert.]

    Mechanically I imagine it's not something that any other job couldnt do, if SE cared to expand on it.
    [Since were unlikely to know if SE will consider it worth investing in a new class, let alone one slightly removed from the norm. or that it may be required to break from the normal flow of combat/meta. it's all ideas with no roots.]

    (The idea I threw out, simply had a Caster that flavour wise interacted with their own, and local Dynamis. Instead of indirectly, attempting/actively using it directly.

    Mechanically it could lead to a Caster with many Supportive Effects <almost like a ranged, but dealing largely with MP, or linking the party with buffs.> or go fully into DPS <which then comes to question whether and how they'll flesh out the idea if they find it worth/necessary to flesh out. Unless they'd rather keep it as a Story Item.>)

    [Though, it honestly could even be something not even permanently as a class, SE if they even consider it, might just make it a Layer of Skills or specialization once they've reached a level cap that they don't plan to expand on for all jobs. Or Both if they're feeling funny.<With it enhancing, or increasing a Pure Dynamis focus class more, or it's party effects.>]

    [other roles would be more difficult to fit into our expectations of jobs(/molds of how they should fit. Unless SE cares to change it up) Which Depending on how you try to look at it, it may just end up looking or being reduced to Chakra with some weapon that clearly isn't monk like. A Different kind of BLU(which just mentioning it would get people Raring to go) focused on a certain role<capable of being in content with the other jobs>. Or a Tank(Though with tanks, I imagine them as more physical/known entities. Even a Tank with Aether created weaponry seens more acceptable than one of unknown dynamis)

    TLDR: while I could easily conjure up ideas, getting it to actually fit, or make sense within our current expectations of what the combat or systems should be<without any knowledge of what SE is cooking rn, or later Mechanically. Doing so would be foolish of me-cant/won't say others since it's 50/50 regardless->

    So all that leaves is Flavor, or Lore.
    <And as we see from the surface level, people probably are alil confused on what happened when meteion spoke on it.>

    If we knew more of dynamis, i feel it would be easier to plant an idea of what role it could be or what it would entail.
    [For now its a rootless idea one can just throw ideas into. Depending on the role it's designed for. Caster being the easiest to find tolerable, or "Knowable"]
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    Last edited by GTK0HLK; 07-16-2023 at 12:38 AM.

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTK0HLK View Post
    Yeah, I'm also hoping for a revamp/upgrade for the Grand Companies.
    (Which Depending on where we going, can be for good or ill. or simply Expedition Support)
    I'm hoping for that but not expecting it. I would gladly accept an MSQ 40% shorter than Endwalker in exchange for them spending more time on non-MSQ stuff. Just let us advance through all the remain GC ranks up to champion, it's been a decade. They don't need to create massive new content for it. Just some story quests, some objectives which might include frontlines matches and squadron stuff. Add more materials to buy at the GC shop because it's still almost entirely ARR stuff like coke and wootz. Add a champion glam set. That covers most of it. Get this stuff out of the way.

    What I expect from fan fest is more of the usual stuff. They will tease some of the new locations and outline the story theme. Yoshida might wear a t-shirt with a clue about the next job, saved for full reveal at London fan fest. They might tease a new type of content, like they did with Island Sanctuary long before it arrived in post-expansion patches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Not nit-picking, just curious:
    1) Dynamis Job seems a bit redundant - WoL uses Dynamis no matter which Job you play. That's the lore behind LB as well.
    2) RDM rework? RDM is one of the more smooth and "feels good to play" Jobs right now. It needs a damage/potency increase on its abilities so it's not behind even SMN in damage, but what kind of "rework" does it need? o.O

    Don't worry.
    1) You can use anything in place of Dynamis. I just would like to see a new job based on a new form of energy, i don't see how they can creatively create a new job with our current system of aether or elements. Pretty much every job use it in many different ways.

    2) RDM before 31-50 mana sucks. Feel slow to build it up outside of buffs. I reach my burst phase faster with BLM than RDM.
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    You know what I think would be cool? A Realm Revisited. At least half of its zones are back home in Eorzea to bring things full circle as we reach lv100 and celebrate a decade since ARR. West Shroud is back. An eastern part of Coerthas (now without snow because some aetherial event) is back. A subterranean zone beneath Mor Dhona is uncovered along with the mysterious entity beneath Silvertear Lake, once guarded by Midgardsormr. The other zones could be around Ilsabard and Othard, like Corvos. Don't need to leave The Three Great Continents yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    whatever you're expecting i can already tell it's going to be too much.
    Isn't this sad? FF14 players proactively lower their expectations.
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