We lost 70% of our player base half a year in

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

Literally Second Life: Realm Reborn.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I don't like to tell other people how to play their game. But I'd be lying if I didn't say the number of venues in PF/Shout chat left me feeling a bit depressed at the state of the game.

Idk where I'm at maybe 10-20 out of 100 things up will be rp related. Doesn't really bother me. The notion that if it's not in pf it's not being done (or ones akin to that) is flawed anyways. Many groups n free companys do content often yet don't touch pf because things like discord exist.
Venues don't make me drepressed because I don't use that as an sort of gauge. Different servers n DCs harbor different players. Game has always been casual oriented to this isn't new.

[Elissar]

The OP is clearly trolling as we have better ways to acquire some insights about FFXIV population...and isn't declining. However, interestingly, for a game with appeal for the casual population, our clears in extremes/savage/ultimates are pretty high. Look for "achievements" session in ffxivcollect . com.
Unfortunately for some, FFXIV is almost a perfect online experience...just lack some rewards here and there and meaningful open world content.

[Surprised]

Nothing to worry about .most wow refugees have gone back to wow which in my honest opinion is good news for ffxiv .

[kcj]

126% of all statistics are made up.

[Rolder50]

The OP is clearly trolling as we have better ways to acquire some insights about FFXIV population...and isn't declining. However, interestingly, for a game with appeal for the casual population, our clears in extremes/savage/ultimates are pretty high. Look for "achievements" session in ffxivcollect . com.
Unfortunately for some, FFXIV is almost a perfect online experience...just lack some rewards here and there and meaningful open world content.

What are these better statistics of which you speak

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I think you got your numbers backwards. 10 - 20 things in this image are content related with almost the entirety of the other tab filled with RP related things. At least on my DC. So yeah, it does get me depressed. Especially when I cannot find a normal FC in that sea of Venue ads to do content with. This isn't really about the game being casual oriented or not. This is about the content within the game. It really speaks volumes about the quality and longevity of the content if more people are RPing than playing content. The fact that self made content is more fun than the content the devs provide, it really says a lot about the state of the game.

PS: I shouldn't have to travel to another Data Center to play the game but that's where we're at.

Its because DC travel happened. This is why Gilgamesh became the raiding server btw. Originally every server had a somewhat healthy raid scene, and then Gordias happened so everyone thought you had to go to Gilgamesh in order to clear savage. Raid scenes on other worlds plummted (this was pre cross-world PF).


Now we just have that again. Even though Primal had a healthy PF, not its just "go to Aether"


DC travel was a mistake. Full stop.


There's 144 High-End duties on Aether atm.

[True-to-Caesar]

Long post sorry

I started in June 2021.

Played on Steam nonstop to experience the game (story and content like Eureka/Bozja, both completed). Endwalker was my first expansion and compared to Shadowbringers it’s a letdown overall. Having to wait 3-4 months for a single dungeon, maybe 3 raid bosses and an alliance raid… I don’t know about you but I’m having trouble to justify the subscription, even with a house.

Don’t get me wrong this game has a lot of potential but content-wise it is indeed lacking. I’ll explain further below.

One of the things I enjoyed was the community. Very nice folks overall, despite the few creeps and MMO tribals such as this fool below (catgirl with white hair couldn’t be more of a stereotype) :

Nothing to worry about .most wow refugees have gone back to wow which in my honest opinion is good news for ffxiv .

Imagine getting a flux of new players and instead of welcoming them you piss on them because they came from another game. Fortunately, this type of cringe specimen is rare.

And there we come to a painpoint which ended up making me quit :

Literally Second Life: Realm Reborn.

If you’re mid-casual and you’re not necessarily interested in Extreme, Savage or Ultimate modes… tough luck. There’s pretty much nothing to be done besides the one new dungeon and maybe few raid bosses if you’re in the right patch cycle.

It’s like I left WoW/hardcore games to find the same endgame.

There is 0 exploration. Even WoW or Runescape have that, WoW adds new maps to explore every major patch. Here we have expansion zones rotting as they’re just MSQ backgrounds or FATE-farms for the 1st month of the expansion life-cycle.

As the user above said, we have a lot of RPers but now it’s even more apparent since if you’re like me, you got nothing engaging to do and I’m just not into RP/ERP.

I started playing ESO with their new expansion and class, have to say, despite its flaws it has a genuinely nice exploration part. Something that is simply non-existent in FFXIV. World bosses, every NPC and quest is voiced, the game doesn’t feel like a railroad (especially the dungeons, like our 2 packs > boss > 2 packs > boss…).

Housing is better by miles and no need for addons to have a proper furniture placement tool. Housing not tied to your sub.

Main gripe is that ESO has a dogshit PvP and even FF does it better (and that’s saying something since FF’s PvP isn’t great either but more fair and entertaining). Community is overall more nice too, in ESO getting some hellos/his in random parties can be rare. Zone chat is very funny though.

All in all, I’m having way more fun Elsweyr, I wish the FF devs tried something different for once, instead of the same railroaded crap from dungeons to quests. Their new dungeon type (forgot the name) was abysmal since it’s oneshot railroads with no promised randomness.

[Absurdity]

Their new dungeon type (forgot the name) was abysmal since it’s oneshot railroads with no promised randomness.

The variant dungeon had some "randomness" which wasn't really random it just determined slight alterations to the dungeon depending on what actions you took (like draining the water or not draining it) but it was still a massive step up from the corridor simulator that is normal dungeons and I wish we could get Sil'dihn Subterrane and whatever the new one will be called in Expert roulette.

Unfortunately the same does not apply to the harder version which is really just 3 extreme trial bosses strung together.

[TheDecay]

The OP is clearly trolling as we have better ways to acquire some insights about FFXIV population...and isn't declining. However, interestingly, for a game with appeal for the casual population, our clears in extremes/savage/ultimates are pretty high. Look for "achievements" session in ffxivcollect . com.
Unfortunately for some, FFXIV is almost a perfect online experience...just lack some rewards here and there and meaningful open world content.

You do realize that ffxivcollect and lalachievement statistics are opt-in? Meaning that it's a percentage of the people who registered on ffxivcollect/lalachievement?

What are these better statistics of which you speak

They don't have any because they fundamentally misunderstood the nature of the very statistics they're quoting.