Crystalline Conflict Tier List (with deep maths!)

[Myrha_Lhlalheva]

insulting math when you put rdm mobility low tier
whm aoe and cc low tier as well

ok

I believe WHM AoE was the result of clerical error, which has been noted previously in the thread

WHM crowd control and RDM mobility rating has also been discussed several times

Reading the thread explains the thread

I do not disagree with what you are saying but how you say it and keep in mind that it is thanks to this thread that a lot of people got to reflect on various jobs and what they are capable of, yourself included. You might find that some responses are both informative and helpful. The method here is flowed even if the math is good because the context is all that matters and this is complately outside of it. I think a survey which allows people who tried a job to rate it on various scales would provide a better picture in this case.

We've tried to account for and/or control for context wherever possible--the rules of the rubric are all right there for everyone to see. From what I've seen so far in this thread, most people didn't bother reading the rubric at all and just looked at the graphs, which I can't say I didn't see coming. Keep in mind that because the scoring curve is bracketed for EXISTING minimums and maximums, these ratings are RELATIVE ratings, not absolutes. Just because something is rated a 2 in mobility doesn't mean it has strictly and literally poor mobility, it means that relative to the rest of the jobs, it has relatively poor options.

Asking people how they feel about certain attributes of certain jobs wouldn't be a very good indicator of anything, I think--then you'd get people saying that BRD has the best burst in the game or something LOL.

[Bluish]

I believe WHM AoE was the result of clerical error, which has been noted previously in the thread


Asking people how they feel about certain attributes of certain jobs wouldn't be a very good indicator of anything, I think--then you'd get people saying that BRD has the best burst in the game or something LOL.

You might be right but this raw math seemed to have presented a distorted picture for a number of jobs and it would be nice to see how that compares with how people experience playing the job. I don't think anyone who played bard enough would oversetimate their burst potency but I'm pretty sure that the job would be rated higher in some categories.

The context is in the difference between in vivo and in vitro. I was trying to think about a research method that might reflect in vivo performance. Surveys have their bias as any other method but a large survey can still produce a decent profile for each job. You did a good job in both explaining and presenting your calculations but you must see yourself that in case of bard the picture is far cry from reality.

[Myrha_Lhlalheva]

Rather than a survey to measure perception, maybe a more rigorous method would be to track the actual performance stats of people maining each job, with a handful of sample players in different rank brackets. I wish the ending scoreboard/stats screen had a 'detailed view' to track things like mitigation and crowd control score, but we're stuck with what we have.

[Bluish]

Rather than a survey to measure perception, maybe a more rigorous method would be to track the actual performance stats of people maining each job, with a handful of sample players in different rank brackets. I wish the ending scoreboard/stats screen had a 'detailed view' to track things like mitigation and crowd control score, but we're stuck with what we have.

I wish that too.

There's a post that refers to matchmaking in ranked where people end up going against uneven numbers of melee and ranged jobs, if that was not the problem bard would always be a bonus as one of 2-3 ranged jobs in any team. Bard can work with any other job to secure kills and provide a cover, doesn't have to stop moving or shooting save to lb or pot and the way lb can perk the team up at crucial times, you may as well call that hard carry. The nerf hurts but you can still have a ball as a bard or with a bard in your team. I will risk execution for saying that!