Is the skill level required on NA DCs higher than JP DCs?

[SeiyaSoiya]

Assuming the following premises
1. JP DCs have a higher clear rate of high end content of all active players than NA DCs
2. High end content is fundamentally a team based activity, where the skill level of other players other than yourself affects the outcome
3. Therefore, PF in each DC reflects the skill level of the DC

Then is it harder to clear high end content on NA datacenters than it is in JP datacenters?

If the answer is yes, then Are high end clears more rare in NA DCs?

and if the answer to that question is yes, then Are NA DC clears and PF clears more prestigious than JP DC clears?

[Renalt]

I imagine the Japanese are more patient so they stick with the same group till they learn each other strengths and weaknesses while we are impatient and will shuffle members in and out of a static like MtG cards till we find the "I Win" deck.

And then a new raid starts and the "I Win" deck doesn't work...so back to shuffling cards in and out till the new "I Win" deck is formed.

I also don't raid or anything so I could be WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY off base till the point my theory is stupid.

*shrug*

[MirielleLavandre]

In JPN DC, PF is used to practice and perfect the raids, and usually people stay until the group decides to break by concensus. After learning, the DF is used to clear / it's expected that the strats and raid is known by players before they attempt a DF clear, as doing so without knowing is rude and also a bit disgraceful since DF is public. I play on both with a JPN and NA char, but since I'm JPN I find the JPN DC a lot more enjoyable and way less stressful than most anything in NA^^

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Higher clear rate of all active players doesn't take into account how many of those players are actually trying to clear it. I don't raid, and I know a lot of people who don't either. What percentage of JP players raid compared to NA players? How have you corrected for this?

Also, in 1, you cite active players, and in 3, you cite PF. Which is it? Are you weighing clear percentages of all active players, or PF parties that clear? How does the latter account for players that don't use PF (statics, DF clears on JP)? How does either matter when you're comparing against each other?

Your analysis is flawed and you've shown zero data even assuming it wasn't. Garbage in, garbage out.

[AwesomeJr44]

JP has a higher percentage of people who want to raid at a serious level. If your DC has more people who want to raid, you will in turn have more people who actually do raid. And obviously if you have more people raiding, there will be more people clearing said raids.

[SeiyaSoiya]

Higher clear rate of all active players doesn't take into account how many of those players are actually trying to clear it. I don't raid, and I know a lot of people who don't either. What percentage of JP players raid compared to NA players? How have you corrected for this?

Also, in 1, you cite active players, and in 3, you cite PF. Which is it? Are you weighing clear percentages of all active players, or PF parties that clear? How does the latter account for players that don't use PF (statics, DF clears on JP)? How does either matter when you're comparing against each other?

Your analysis is flawed and you've shown zero data even assuming it wasn't. Garbage in, garbage out.

I'm using luckybancho numbers
what is luckybancho using to compare clear rates in NA and JP and claiming JP has higher clear rates?

[Themarvin]

JP, they ere more determined, NA seem more like not being able to find out what strategy to use and then watching Mr. Happy Videos or whatever persons... and then call it whatever person/group strategy... instead of playing the game.

I believe PF is used the most for practise and then head onto DF.

I think the west is more scared about or think themself to elite to spend the time it takes to get the clears and ditch whatever that is doign 10DPS off or whatever even if well witing the DPS requirement, the content is not so hard as most people claim it to be, and often if you are stuck with the same people all the time doing it, you get extremely little additional experience in completing the content.

It would be like in real life... routines will eventually kill you off for good, you need diversity to get better at what you do.

[Jojoya]

I'm using luckybancho numbers
what is luckybancho using to compare clear rates in NA and JP and claiming JP has higher clear rates?

Lucky Bancho gets the data for the percentage of level 90 characters that have the achievement for the clear.

He has no way to gather data on how many level 90 characters overall have attempted to clear. The game doesn't track who tried and failed, or who didn't try at all. All that can be seen is who succeeded.

well, whatever problem people have with my premise is a problem they have with luckybancho's data gathering methodology
the fact remains that LB is always used as the source to claim that JP DC clears are much higher percentage wise than NA clears, and thus that makes the skill level on average higher

I'm not certain what you're attempting to accomplish with your post. Wanting a reason to give yourself a little extra flex? You can take numbers and twist them to support just about anything you want. Very few will care either way so go for it if you want.

Personally, i think that clear rate has less to do with skill than it has to do with determination. People talk about parses a lot but forget that even the 50% percentile players are getting clears. So if you want to say that JP players are more determined to get clears then NA players, I'd believe it.

[SeiyaSoiya]

Lucky Bancho gets the data for the percentage of level 90 characters that have the achievement for the clear.

He has no way to gather data on how many level 90 characters overall have attempted to clear. The game doesn't track who tried and failed, or who didn't try at all. All that can be seen is who succeeded.

well, whatever problem people have with my premise is a problem they have with luckybancho's data gathering methodology
the fact remains that LB is always used as the source to claim that JP DC clears are much higher percentage wise than NA clears, and thus that makes the skill level on average higher

[Renathras]

If I understand OP correctly, the premise is that the average skill of players in NA is lower, so if you actually manage to clear high end content, you tend to be pulling more weight with you, whereas in JP, since the average skill level is higher, players don't need to be as good to clear content since they can rely on other players to carry more of that load?

Is that the general idea?

That is, if everyone's a 7 out of 10, you can be a 6 and reliably clear (JP), whereas if everyone's a 4, you need to be a 9 or 10 to drag them across the finish line (NA)?