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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcell View Post
    How is Ranger not Archer? Seriously how is it not? Don't say "Because it's not called Ranger", that's just arguing its name. That's not the point. Ranger and Archer are almost synonymous. What skills does a Ranger in one game have that Archer in this game doesn't? Are they class-defining abilities?

    You can certainly make a black mage, you just have to mix and match skills to make it. It's not called "Black Mage" by name but that's not the point.
    A ranger implies a wildsman, someone skilled with bow, blade, land, and beast. The bow is their favored weapon, but their strengths are more skilled towards wilderness survival. An archer is a person who's a snap shot with a bow, nothing else.

    In regards to the thread in general, let me put this in bold. Your character is not defined by the class they have currently equipped. They are defined by what skills they equip. It doesn't matter if I currently have a Thm scepter equipped - if I fill my action bars with healing and buffs, I'm a white mage.

    The problem we have at the moment is that we don't have all the class skills necessarily to create the classes we want. As they add new classes and skills, that should be fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    A ranger implies a wildsman, someone skilled with bow, blade, land, and beast. The bow is their favored weapon, but their strengths are more skilled towards wilderness survival. An archer is a person who's a snap shot with a bow, nothing else.
    From what I've seen the Ranger in FFXI wasn't much different from Archer here in XIV. Also in games like FFTA Ranger was just an advanced class off of Archer that wasn't much different and certainly made no use of blade or beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    A ranger implies a wildsman, someone skilled with bow, blade, land, and beast. The bow is their favored weapon, but their strengths are more skilled towards wilderness survival. An archer is a person who's a snap shot with a bow, nothing else.

    In regards to the thread in general, let me put this in bold. Your character is not defined by the class they have currently equipped. They are defined by what skills they equip. It doesn't matter if I currently have a Thm scepter equipped - if I fill my action bars with healing and buffs, I'm a white mage.

    The problem we have at the moment is that we don't have all the class skills necessarily to create the classes we want. As they add new classes and skills, that should be fixed.
    Meet me friend affinity: http://www.eorzeapedia.com/wiki/en/Affinity

    You can put all the abilities you want from other classes on your THM but you won't be doing anything but gimping yourself.

    People are going to be okay with this type of thing while leveling but when the game matures and everyones into endgame, no one is going to pick a THM buffing with CON spells over a CON.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazimir View Post
    Meet me friend affinity: http://www.eorzeapedia.com/wiki/en/Affinity

    You can put all the abilities you want from other classes on your THM but you won't be doing anything but gimping yourself.

    People are going to be okay with this type of thing while leveling but when the game matures and everyones into endgame, no one is going to pick a THM buffing with CON spells over a CON.
    Except that once you're at endgame, you'll eventually have enough guild marks to push yourself up to 100% affinity. In which case the Thm using Con spells will have spells just as effective, but with the added benefit of Thm's massive aoe cone range.

    Even without the added affinity, certain classes combinations have a high affinity with one another. I see little difference in healing when doing the above, and only minor damage differences when I'm using lancer skills as a gladiator. The effect is far more pronounced when healing myself or others as a gladiator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Except that once you're at endgame, you'll eventually have enough guild marks to push yourself up to 100% affinity. In which case the Thm using Con spells will have spells just as effective, but with the added benefit of Thm's massive aoe cone range.

    Even without the added affinity, certain classes combinations have a high affinity with one another. I see little difference in healing when doing the above, and only minor damage differences when I'm using lancer skills with my gladiator. The effect is far more pronounced when healing myself or others as a gladiator.
    But then this creates the balancing problem of a super class with all the best skills from every class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd View Post
    But then this creates the balancing problem of a super class with all the best skills from every class.
    Not when Mr. Action/Ability/Trait Cost comes into play.

    You're not able to stack non-stop affinity traits are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malakhim View Post
    Not when Mr. Action/Ability/Trait Cost comes into play.

    You're not able to stack non-stop affinity traits are you?
    Well they better get some serious balancing and restrictions done then because I can cross class lots of abilities and traits no problem which makes my Archer seriously OP.
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