New Job Role - Magical Melee DPS?

**Shurrikhan** · 06-27-2023 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ranaku

Or to make it easier to understand for you, what would be the big difference to you personally? Does it matter to you if you get another melee job which well is the same as all the other melee jobs or a melee job which is the same just with a different flavor.

No, I'm just tired of seeing threads that amount to "If only we had a job that did this {1 irrelevant gimmick}, it'd be super cool and unique!"

a different look for a job

See the examples given in OP? Those aren't different, in appearance or otherwise. That's my point. Their merely having magic... doesn't make an interesting job. Though... they also, well, don't, for those particular examples. Or, less than any existing melee except for Warrior.

A Mystic Knight has historically had, on average, a far lesser portion of magic damage than an XIV DRK. It is also a theme that was already scavenged into XIV's DRK.

A Nightblade is a Dragoon but with a sword, with some of its Jump capacity traded out for break (Armor, Weapon, Helm, etc.) skills. It's also entirely physical (outside of perhaps "Rend Magic" and "Rend MP", which are both just... physical slashes, by appearance.)

Sword Saint is three jobs in one, stealing Dark Knight, Holy Knight, and Divine Knight's skills. But, having thus muddled its identity... it's still just... a generic greatsword user. Heck, it has far fewer casts than Paladin and far less magic use than XIV DRK.

Its longest list of skills: Stasis Sword (just deals Physical Damage), Split Punch (Physical Damage + Doom), Northswain's Strike (Physical Damage), Lightning Stab (Physical Damage + Silences), Divine Ruination (Confuse + damage based on Physical Attack), Crush Armor (Breaks Armor + damage based on Physical Attack), Crush Helm (basically same), Crush Weapon (Disarm + Physical Damage), Duskblade (Syphon Strike), Shadowblade (Souleater).

Which is why I return to that feeling of... "Okay... I'm still waiting for the actual idea. Because this gives us as little to work with as 'the job's name should start with B', because we don't have any that start of those. Wouldn't that be cool, guys?"

As you said, it's never going to be a sub-role, so... where's the actual difference? We'd need more to work with.

And again... All melee except for Warrior already visually use magic. Even without its Ninjutsu, NIN for instance is Wind and Shadow; MNK is Fire (see TFC), Earth (see Howling Fist), and Wind (Tornado Kick); and SAM is ice-blasting people with Yukikaze between its Moon and Wind attacks and whatever the heck Cherry Blossoms Bombs are supposed to be (see also DRG); etc., etc. With those visuals already there, and the coding identical, the actual work still fully remains to be done.

You've seen my two cents. I still have yet to see yours.

**Shougun** · 06-27-2023 03:43 PM

I feel Samurai is near magical if we're going off of some general mechanic (casting?). If we're going off visuals then.. I don't see how we were restricted outside of what SE wants to do.

Just to toss ideas into the pool, and two I've thrown before for melee magic:

Geo-Knight / Grav-Knight: Two handed bludgeon weapons like maces, clubs, etc. One thought was a bell / musical instrument designed into them, that could be part of the thematic mechanic (raising huge mace up and ringing it, and then bashing in the enemy skull with massive tectonic plates erupting or gravity effects). Use the BRD/MCH mechanic for casting and moving (PvP), add some area awareness effects.. like perhaps constructing elemental fonts/nodes and magical positional magic (melee to mid range). If geo we're looking at the classic elements, if gravity we're looking at if AST was a big DD boi. AF armor would be Ex-Death / Golbez like. Maybe another dragoon armor I guess.

'Dominant' transformation job (scouting armor), thematically I was originally going with demons, but we have reaper now so I'd say maybe FFXVI meetings Terra Branford meets Zodiac like themes: Weapon I thought should be apparel that could appear throughout transformations, like a sash, cloak, scarf, where in complete form or visual inspirations your 'weapon' impacts the visuals of the other forms. An easy example is picture a Dullahan like mode (giant armor'd knight), now add your cloak onto it, then shift into a Sif like wolf, add the cloak (this 'weapon' could be applied to multiple situations and different locations). Could even make them have a second hand (like Paladin) that is essentially used to further adding form customization (colors, perhaps sfx like if it's fire infused or etc). Some system that encourages both enjoying a particular form but also not setting up camp forever, and ensuring each form feels different enough that it isn't "can of paint 1, 2, and 3" (had another thread on ideas that might do that). Noting I want to 'transform', reaper bleach mode is cool but I don't consider that transforming. If it looks vaguely you still that's not transforming! /table lol

**Shurrikhan** · 06-27-2023 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Shougun

I feel Samurai is near magical if we're going off of some general mechanic (casting?). If we're going off visuals then.. I don't see how we were restricted outside of what SE wants to do.

I mean, visuals-wise... SAM is throwing out Lunar/Time, Wind, and Ice magic left and right.

Dominant... I thought should be apparel that could appear throughout transformations, like a sash, cloak, scarf, where in complete form or visual inspirations your 'weapon' impacts the visuals of the other forms.

I like.

If it looks vaguely you still that's not transforming! /table lol

/Disagree. Still you, but a different aspect emphasized of you, is best transformation. (100% subjectively correct opinion.)

Geo-Knight / Grav-Knight

I dig it. I'm thinking Grav more than Geo, but both seem fun.

[Off-Topic] Oh, btw, Shougun, another thread you might be interested in: Let's Design a "Living World" Zone for 7.0.

**Shougun** · 06-27-2023 04:04 PM