PSA: Do not undercut people by 50k gil or more

[Jojoya]

several here hide under the definition of free market not truly knowing what are the repercussions if this isn't handled properly

no wonder we are in such awful inflation here in the US....welp....

What is "this" that needs to be handled properly?

What are the repercussions you expect to occur if it isn't?

Trying to draw direct comparisons between the game and real world economies doesn't work. The game lacks limitations that keeps some checks on real world economies.

The game generates fresh currency faster than it draws it permanently back out of circulation.

The game has no limit on how much material resources can be gathered over a period of time, how many of an item can be manufactured or how many players can choose to be producers of items.

Once a player has sufficient standing with their Grand Company and DoH/DoL classes unlocked, there is almost no need for gil at all when it comes to progressing a character through the MSQ. Gil becomes a tool of convenience, not necessity, and convenience is a luxury with no objective set value. Different people will pay different prices for convenience depending on their desire for it and the other ways they have to access what they are trying to get. Players willing to provide convenience value their time differently and so choose to set different prices.

To my knowledge, the only repercussion seen in chaotic MMO game economies over the years has been new players feeling like they've been priced out of being able to get the things they need for initial progression in the game and so they quit. The developers have slashed the amount of currency generated by game activity to keep inflation in check and used other methods to make it easier for new players to get the items needed for early progression in response.

That wouldn't be necessary here. The game already provides the minimum needed for progression throughout the MSQ until the player reaches the current level cap and level cap content. Obtaining things from other players while leveling is convenience only, not necessity.

Then vendor them.

Somehow I don't think vendoring the item amounts to the "screw you" that poster is trying to achieve.

[GoatOfWar]

What is "this" that needs to be handled properly?

What are the repercussions you expect to occur if it isn't?

Trying to draw direct comparisons between the game and real world economies doesn't work. The game lacks limitations that keeps some checks on real world economies.

The game generates fresh currency faster than it draws it permanently back out of circulation.

The game has no limit on how much material resources can be gathered over a period of time, how many of an item can be manufactured or how many players can choose to be producers of items.

Once a player has sufficient standing with their Grand Company and DoH/DoL classes unlocked, there is almost no need for gil at all when it comes to progressing a character through the MSQ. Gil becomes a tool of convenience, not necessity, and convenience is a luxury with no objective set value. Different people will pay different prices for convenience depending on their desire for it and the other ways they have to access what they are trying to get. Players willing to provide convenience value their time differently and so choose to set different prices.

To my knowledge, the only repercussion seen in chaotic MMO game economies over the years has been new players feeling like they've been priced out of being able to get the things they need for initial progression in the game and so they quit. The developers have slashed the amount of currency generated by game activity to keep inflation in check and used other methods to make it easier for new players to get the items needed for early progression in response.

That wouldn't be necessary here. The game already provides the minimum needed for progression throughout the MSQ until the player reaches the current level cap and level cap content. Obtaining things from other players while leveling is convenience only, not necessity.


Somehow I don't think vendoring the item amounts to the "screw you" that poster is trying to achieve.

Read the last line they wrote.

[kaynide]

several here hide under the definition of free market not truly knowing what are the repercussions if this isn't handled properly

no wonder we are in such awful inflation here in the US....welp....

1) this is a game, with a lifespan of maybe 20 years. Halfway into that lifespan, the in game economy has yet to be destroyed by undercutting/free market.

2) again, this is a game with a limited lifespan with no connection to real world markets. It hardly needs the checks and balances a country might.

3) if you think the U.S. economy is suffering inflation because “people don’t understand economics”, I suggest studying economics.

[MistakeNot]

If someone drops the item to 40k, everyone drops the item to 40k and now the market is forever at 40k. It doesn't go back to 90k.

It might actually go back, if all items sell so there are no items of that sort for sale at one point. Then the price kind of resets.
Besides, not everyone might drop their prices, at least not at once - most people have better things to do than constantly watching MB prices.

But if everyone matches you at 90k, it'll forever be at 90k as long as no one undercut massively.

The asking price will stay at 90k, but will the items sell for 90k? Perhaps not. There is nothing forcing buyers to actually buy them for 90k

It's absolutely griefing to undercut so much and falls under griefing behavior.

It is absolutely not griefing.
A person constantly undercutting others by lowering their own price whenever it is not the lowest (a behavior most often associated with bots who have the time to watch the market boards constantly) could be considered griefing, but undercutting as such is not griefing - no matter by how much they undercut.

[Themarvin]

The items aren't worth anything though? If something is at 2M then people will buy it at 2M. If something is at 10M then people will buy it at 10M. The only thing that affects the price is whether the material price is lower than the final item price.

If you actually dropped something from 10 million to 2 million I feel sad for you because you lost out on 8 million for absolutely NO reason.

Just be patient and it will sell at 10 million. It's basic logic.

You don't get it, people empty the markets to drive the prices up, so yes I am going to undercut the market, as long as there is a profit in it.. if I earn 50gil to 50000gil is irrelevant as long as there is a surplus after taxes.. why should the most new crafter items cost 3millions for eg. a ring, when it is only worth 250k.

Nothing to do with patience, it has something to do with driving an honest bargain... they should put owner of the retainer on as well, so people can boycot buying things from that person.

There IS only a very few actually rare items... for an instance the Golden Beaver Minion, where you can justify the insane prices... and there IS brief shortages as well where you can drive an honest advantage of things, but it stops there.

Also if you are against undercutting by 50k or more, you can buy the items and resell or try to resel them for 50k more, since you got the patience and whatever, just know that it my run you dry eventually when the items become mundane.

[Anonemoose]

I just talked to a GM after I reported a retainer on the market board that undercut me by 50k gil on Kupo Coffer. Undercutting is not only rude but when you undercut by so much you crash the market, and everyone makes 50k gil less thanks to your impatience. Now thanks to that person Kupo Coffer is only 40k. Hopefully that person gets banned. You do NOT troll on the market board unless you want to get reported by everyone else. Learn to match other people's price and wait patiently.



Wrong. If no one undercut it will still be 90k and people will still buy it.

Oh no how awful. Have you complained to the Better Business Bureau?

[Toutatis]

Also if you are against undercutting by 50k or more, you can buy the items and resell or try to resel them for 50k more, since you got the patience and whatever, just know that it my run you dry eventually when the items become mundane.

Here’s the thing: he can’t and he’s pissed because he uses bots and it forces his prices down lol (look at his profile and fc and forum history if you have any doubt.)

I enjoy undercutting these farmers that try to control the market by auto undercutting you by 1 gil till people get tired and when competition goes away, set prices at outrageous levels. I have enough gil for myself and am happy to provide relatively cheap items nowadays.

[Anonemoose]

Here’s the thing: he can’t and he’s pissed because he uses bots and it forces his prices down lol (look at his profile and fc and forum history if you have any doubt.)

I enjoy undercutting these farmers that try to control the market by auto undercutting you by 1 gil till people get tired and when competition goes away, set prices at outrageous levels. I have enough gil for myself and am happy to provide relatively cheap items nowadays.

If you were really such a Chad or Stacey you would buy up all of the stock on all of the worlds on the Data Centre for a particular item and then relist them at an insane markup from your gil cost average. Have a few friends help to list on their worlds too and hoover up any competing listings. It's cartel conduct and I'm all for it. If you ever want to crash the economy with no survivors and get some seething redd*t and forum threads posted, hit me up.

[Toutatis]

If you were really such a Chad or Stacey you would buy up all of the stock on all of the worlds on the Data Centre for a particular item and then relist them at an insane markup from your gil cost average. Have a few friends help to list on their worlds too and hoover up any competing listings. It's cartel conduct and I'm all for it. If you ever want to crash the economy with no survivors and get some seething redd*t and forum threads posted, hit me up.

Got reading problems? I am not trying to control the markets. Bots are. OP runs a bot farm. I like to sell for relatively cheap.

[EderTheBro]

Here’s the thing: he can’t and he’s pissed because he uses bots and it forces his prices down lol (look at his profile and fc and forum history if you have any doubt.)

I enjoy undercutting these farmers that try to control the market by auto undercutting you by 1 gil till people get tired and when competition goes away, set prices at outrageous levels. I have enough gil for myself and am happy to provide relatively cheap items nowadays.

lol you gotta be below 50 iq if you think any bot farmer even checks market board manually to notice what you're doing to even get pissed when they just auto everything across 36 servers

its like those people who think they owned the president by peeing on the road in front of his third summer vacation mansion that he visits once every 25 years