Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
That’s kinda the point. Obviously not those who are botting, but that’s how a competitior wins. Person A is going to be willing to put in X amount of time, expecting Y profit/results.

Everyone has a different X:Y ratio; some people are more willing than others.

And again, nothing is stopping you from buying it at that fire sale and flipping for a profit, even if you have to wait a week for the price to rebound….unless it never rebounds in which case it really never was worth what you thought it was.

Again, welcome to FF Stonks.
What happened to respecting the player's time?

You don't have to have anything on this game or accomplish anything really, but when one part of the game becomes heavily gatekept by an enormous time investment like that, I don't think you could deny the toxicity of it.

People who are terminally online should not be allowed to set the standard for necessary play time to be successful. Yes, there are bots, but there's also people who spend every waking moment checking their retainers and dropping prices.

Quote Originally Posted by TheDustyOne View Post
Part of the fun of many games is the competition, the drive to win. How fast can I beat this level or boss? if we use this strategy will we beat the other team? If I undercut, can I still be profitable and sell quickly? Marketboard competition is at most slightly irritating or rude, but nothing more. Undercutting isn't inherently toxic, it's just competitive.

I definitely get your point about bots, that I do find to be more toxic as they can just keep lowering it by single gil digits without any input and always put themselves at the top of the marketboard lists, but the undercutting isn't what's toxic, it's the automation of it. I wonder if it's possible to completely tank an items price (and hope no one buys it) to force the bot to undercut it, then just buy it off them for dirt cheap.
My point isn't entirely about bots. It also includes the terminally online.

Also, I want to ask you something. Can this be considered a true competition, when bots outstanding, half of your competitors or more are not present? Most people who aren't terminally online either don't have the time or don't want to bother checking their retainers every waking second. So in reality, the only people you compete against are bots or others who are also terminally online and doing the same thing. Your idea of a competition is to steamroll 90% the involved population. Would you say that's fair?

If you really have the competitive drive that you claim to have, why aren't you trying to compete elsewhere, like pvp?