Your Opinion on the Current State of Job Identity/Balance in 6.4?

[Deo14]

GW2 doesn't have a sub fee, right? And the entire base game is free. Some might call that an "extended free trial", but before FFXIV did all the way through 3.5, "free trial" was usually "only for a few weeks" or, the more rare exceptions "only to a low-ish level and part of the base game".

GW2 mostly meets the definition of F2P in a general sense for the core game. The expansions are "buy to play", but don't require a sub fee once purchased, and aren't required for the base game.

How much mental gymnastics do you need to justify your baseless argument? Why are you bringing FFXIV trial into this? In what world is 50$ "free"? I paid 60$ + 50$ + 30$ + 30$ throughout the years for base game and expansions if I remember correctly, so do you really want to claim that 170$ is "free"? Are you for real? How about we put FFXIV and GW2 on even ground? FFXIV with EW costs 40$ and includes 1 month sub. Let's buy 10 months of entry sub. Total price is 170$, so it's free, right? Of course it's fucking not, stop trying to be right for any cost and admit your ignorance for once. GW2 was never "free", when it released, you had to buy even base game to play at all, and even now, you can play base game but with significant limitations, even more strict than FFXIV's trial.

Btw, you shouldn't be insulting people, whether or not you think they are "speaking out of your ass". If you need to insult people, it's because you don't have the maturity to make your points without childish schadenfreude attempts.

How about you learn to make valid arguments instead of using random german words to make yourself seem smarter? If someone is acting dumb, I'll call them out, there's nothing "schadenfreude" about that.

Also, the person wasn't even talking to you with that statement.

And I wasn't talking to you with neither of my statements, yet here we are.

You do realize some people play things because they enjoy them, not because they're lazy or stupid, right?

Some people straight up swapped to SMN because it's so brain-dead. Scripe from Echo started tier as SMN so he can focus on solving mechanics and so on. There's nothing wrong with few jobs being brain-dead, but SMN has crossed the line of how much simplistic it can get and should either have it's skill ceiling elevated OR deal less damage, because there's straight up no good reason why you should pick RDM over SMN. Jobs should definitely not have different DPS depending on their difficulty, that's terrible design, but when difference between RDM and SMN is so massive, then that is the last resort. Obviously best scenario is to just make SMN's skill ceiling higher to justify it's DPS.


Regarding to your uneducated nonsense about GW2, even though you admitted that you quit at level 20ish and therefore experienced <5% of the game:

Well, to start with, it HAD no Trinity in the base game - we all know this.

So?

Secondarily, in FFXIV, you gain role abilities by level 15 on most classes (not even Jobs, CLASSES), and usually start getting your distinct role abilities quite early. WHM has Cure 1 by level 2 and Raise at level 12. Tanks get Tank Mastery at level 1 and Tank Stance at level 10. Group content also starts at level 10 with guildheists or level 15 with dungeons. WoW is similar, with Spec choice now at level 10 (at least, when I last played in Legion) and even before then, hybrid classes have their first heal before then. The first dungeon is probably down in that range as well.

Trinity games you can tell by picking up the game and leveling for less than half an hour, and are often in a dungeon within 2 hours of picking up the game.

Cool, but GW2 is not FFXIV. I don't know whether you expect every game to be carbon copy of each other or what. If you wanted holy trinity, then what did you expect from MMORPG most known for the anti-trinity design?

GW2 nowadays has holy trinity, but you really only need to play with trinity in raids, strikes and T4 fractals with challenge mode active. All of that is high end combat content, if you want to play casually, you don't even need to know what holy trinity is. However, only elite specializations, which are locked behind level 80, are really focused on trinity, so if you play guardian, you will be just regular DPS, with slightly more focus on heals and protection, but at level 80 and after meeting all requirements, you can pick Firebrand specialization to become healer/support. Funnily enough, if you want to be condi DPS, you use the same Firebrand specialization, just with different trees, weapons and stats.

And while I'm sure if I poked and prodded at GW2, it would have something enjoyable enough to play. The point is, it didn't for me from the jump. All games have to have a hook. You can't expect players to force themselves to like your game until they find something they like. If they don't like it, they move on.

If you don't like the game and didn't even invest few hours, then stop acting like you're some veteran who knows everything about the game. Just be quiet instead of spewing uneducated nonsense, you're just making a fool of yourself. And if you want to claim that initial experience should hook players, then I need to remind you that we're on FFXIV forums, game popular for having first ~50 hours absolutely miserable. I gave this game first try in ~2014, I hated it, but I didn't spew nonsense on gaming forums, based on my very limited experience. You should try that too.

Again, spicy/bland dishes or different types of music: You enjoy GW2, and that's great.

I did not enjoy GW2, largely because it was more an ARPG and didn't have a Trinity system in the base game (reflected in the first hours of gameplay on a new character) at all, and was, in fact, explicitly designed originally to PREVENT one.

So why do you have the need to discuss the game when you know nothing about it? Why did you even start playing the game known for being anti-trinity, when you want trinity?