The devs arent your friends. Stop pretending everyone is wrong and the devs are right

[Voltyblast]

Just like a lot of people's criticism isn't constructive, sometimes the responses people have to it aren't either, unfortunately.

You can disagree with one's opinion, but you should never be rude about it. Yet you say something negative, you're a bad person.
Not uncommon though, this happens everywhere. It is the whole reason why I stopped socializing in this game years ago, after all. Not worth the hassle.

That is much too simple of a response and should find an answer with more depth about why the story was alright, rather than strictly saying "wrong". Just not useful to the debate otherwise.

TL;DR I don't like a character, this person does, I said why I don't like it, they said I'm wrong for disliking for that reason, and I said "so? I still don't like it" despite their attempts and whipping out the usual "i DoN't CaRe", which makes absolutely no sense considering they made their most damn to talk me down to "like him". It turned from a gaslighting to a proper attack on my opinion and that's not right.

I always said that you're totally fine to like something that others dislike. I hate a lot of games people love, but I will never go attack them for that. Because I don't care, in the truest of senses.
But if it's me, then it's suddenly morally and legitimately right to attack me because I dislike your precious game or character, or story. Sure, whatever.

That is a difficult situation, because people in dungeons are strangers and don't know if you are a nice person or not, so first impressions make a big impact here and how you word it can make a big difference. Obviously, you need them to do the aoe or alternatively heal through it. This and the rest of the examples aren't relevant to discussing feedback for developers though.

There's no difficulty here: I was a healer, I was dying constantly, unable to heal everyone because tank did zero aggro, we wiped once or twice at the very least in a 30+ dungeon. All I asked, ALL THAT I EVER WANTED FROM THE ONE PULLING THE AGGRO, was to pull aggro. And I was the one blamed for chilling out. Only because I kindly asked the tank to press one button that they weren't pressing.

I don't see what's difficult to see here. Except the tank's inability to accept criticism about his job. And the whole point of this post is "You can say something critical without being rude about it."
I wasn't rude about it yet here I was being blamed. This brings us back to the point of the post, where "stop pretending everyone is wrong and the devs are right", as people believe that nobody's criticism is correct except for the devs.
There is a connection, even if small.

I don't think most parties would have done that, but people were more rude in ARR and HW because the game hadn't necessarily attracted the casual players it now has and the rules were not as vague.

People in ARR were more chill than today.

Besides the housing and Castrum/praetorium scenarios, which did happen in ARR, almost every other example - and others that I haven't mentioned - happened throughout HW up until now, and I could probably name more examples as well - like how in HW I was death threatened to "die in a fire" because I just said that I don't like raiding, even though I did coil but apparently "that's not enough!".

Still, back in ARR nobody cared if you disliked the story, and generally were more chill about negativity because "Hey, the game was just remade, let's give them the benefit of the doubt" despite the many questionable choices (chocobo dyeing being one of the biggest conundrums ever).
But I also saw giving their two cents about it and people either disagreed or agreed. It was very human back then and it's why I loved ARR.

But I just so happened to have met people who already had the mindset of "shut up and don't buy it" even back then, but ARR was definitely the most chill community I ever met in a mmo. HW and onward is where things changed entirely. Still regret not quitting on HW to this day because of that...

Everything is about perception. Unfortunately, in ARR the game had a lot of intricate things that caused people to attack you for doing it wrong, when you weren't. For example, I was told to face my shield at the enemies to block them, despite that one of them was at NW and one of them at NE and they wouldn't move, then they left the dungeon before I could answer. It was impossible to block them all. SE since made you block from all directions.

The point here is that "criticism can be valid if you're not rude about it", not whether perception is wrong or right.

I told them to slowdown or else they die, because tanks back in ARR and HW actually had to play properly to gain aggro, and they did die despite all of my forewarnings. Yet it was -I- who got blamed and kicked, not them.
And worst of all, the report mentioned how I could be possibly wrong on the report, which annoyed me to this very day. This is before the Vague ToS rule changes by the way.

If perception is all that is required, then I can always use my perception to kick anyone who isn't fitting...that's not how it works though and you should know it.

It's really about establishing your intentions first because first impressions affect perception.

Just like feedback can lack any sort of depth, so can the responses to that feedback ie. saying the feedback is "wrong" or "bad" without any sort of proper articulate argument as to why or how.

I really like this quote from somewhere that really fits this whole conversation: "If you don't like being criticized, don't criticize yourself".

I do not care if someone dislikes the games I like. I will not go after them and tell them they're miserable because they dislike something that I love. I will simply say "too bad, I really like it" and move on and if they want to discuss further I'm okay with that, I will not try to impose myself in any way. Of course I might be biased but that's normal too.

The issue is only the opposite, when I dislike something that other like and people will go after me for that opinion which is different, no matter how hard I try to give my opinion in a proper argument because for them it doesn't matter that I have something to say, it matters only that I dislike what they like, meaning that the whole point of "You can say something critical without being rude about it." is completely invalidated, people will attack you no matter what you say.

Was I criticized negatively for other reasons? Absolutely: I'm told I'm a very narrowminded, very harsh person who doesn't open themselves to others, who is very antisocial due to their past experience in the game and will not let themselves open up anymore and I have a huge distrust over everyone. And I accept that criticism of me. But all I will say is "You're totally right, but there's nothing I can do about it" without attacking them and move on.

What I'm trying to say is, feedback and any kind of criticism can yes lack depth and just be destructive, I am not denying that, but today EVERY FEEDBACK lack depth or criticism according to everyone. And that's simply ludicrous.

There are good feedback and bad ones, but people nowadays seem to only see the negatives and ignore the positive, calling them trolls or haters or whatnot. My examples above were basically all negative because nothing constructive was told, just to "shut up" as if I said something completely out of the realm of possibilities and it's not too different from today's standards, where even asking the slightest of improvement in a game is regarded as trolling.

I mean, is pretending from the developers housing to be better than what we currently have such bad feedback?
Because apparently, it is for some.