The devs arent your friends. Stop pretending everyone is wrong and the devs are right

[Jeeqbit]

There is a difference between them being friends and just thinking they are fellow human beings that should be treated with respect. You can say something critical without being rude about it.

And then there is whether the criticism is even constructive, which means can a person reasonably take what is said and use it to improve anything - does it acknowledge the challenges and difficulties involved in addressing it, does it provide a reasonable and realistic suggestion on how to achieve it and overcome any challenges involved? Does it take into account the fact that the game is catering to multiple types of people interested in different things, rather than just catering to people only interested in one thing ie. raiding.

If the constructive arguments are not provided then they are brought up in the debate later on. Someone has to play the role of seeing it from a developer's point of view and someone has to play the role of seeing it from a player's point of view to see where the debate ends up. Otherwise it is too one-sided and doesn't consider the counterarguments a developer might have, so why wouldn't they just dismiss it then.

[BaconBits]

All of you are my enemies, and my friends.

[NekoMataMata]

The devs are obviously going to use whatever data they have to make decisions that are in their favor. It doesn't mean they're inhumane, it just means they're greedy and self-interested, like most people. It shouldn't surprise anyone really.

We shouldn't generalize or point fingers though. That doesn't exactly help either.

[UltraPrimarch]

The devs arent your friends. Stop pretending everyone is wrong and the devs are right
That's all.

Anybody who actually thinks this way or projects that way of thinking onto others--is a sith. There is no such thing as 100% right or wrong. It's not devs vs. real players. It's not simps vs. educated self-appointed critics. This isn't one of the most successful mmo's of all time by accident, the devs have done their part reasonably well and for that I choose to think of them as friends.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

That's all.

They at least don't have their players unlike certain other mmos.

[Renalt]

Anybody who actually thinks this way or projects that way of thinking onto others--is a sith. There is no such thing as 100% right or wrong. It's not devs vs. real players. It's not simps vs. educated self-appointed critics. This isn't one of the most successful mmo's of all time by accident, the devs have done their part reasonably well and for that I choose to think of them as friends.

We need more Grey Jewish.

Because they are cool.

[Renalt]

GREY JEDIS!

THANKS AUTO CORRECT AND NO EDITING ON MOBILE!

[Boblawblah]

We need more Grey Jewish.

Because they are cool.

[UltraPrimarch]

GREY JEDIS!

THANKS AUTO CORRECT AND NO EDITING ON MOBILE!

Classic. And instead of editing you make a follow-up post. lmfao

[Archeron]

The devs seem overconfident to me. They haven't learned from 1.0 at all, especially with their doubling down on dumb changes to healers that have been ongoing since Stormblood, or recent PvP adjustments that are baffling, and uncalled for. Telling people to "Go play Zelda" and telling healers to "Go and play Ultimates" if they want their job to be engaging is insulting to say the least.

It'd help if the forums weren't constantly full of bitter people complaining or arguing while providing no solutions to their problems though. In the rare event they ever visited the English forums, they'd just ignore anything being posted here. The developers do not need to be white knighted for, but that doesn't mean that we can be d*** heads to em.