"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[shadowclasper]

Honestly my take is mostly a two strikes rule. If I'm having trouble holding aggro or just surviving pulls and I ask them to let me control the pulls please, and they still run ahead and be a dick about it, then yeah, they can tank.

It's a courtesy thing, no I'm not immediately gonna be a dick about it, but if I ask and they just ignore me that's them showing they're not planning on treating me like a player, but like an npc. And I will retaliate in kind.

[Kolaina]

Honestly my take is mostly a two strikes rule. If I'm having trouble holding aggro or just surviving pulls and I ask them to let me control the pulls please, and they still run ahead and be a dick about it, then yeah, they can tank.

It's a courtesy thing, no I'm not immediately gonna be a dick about it, but if I ask and they just ignore me that's them showing they're not planning on treating me like a player, but like an npc. And I will retaliate in kind.

Maybe you’re a bad tank? Barely surviving pulls, I mean, c’mon. Everyone else can do it. Not like you set your own attributes for a different build. The only difference is obviously you.

[R041]

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I think you need help or something. Maybe find a hobby that isn't destructive.

Most people know what you're doing anyway - The necro posting is just to try and overflow the front page with old negative threads.

[Kaurhz]

Once upon a time, I'd have called it trolling. now I just call it obsessive at this point.

[Ivtrix]

Once upon a time, I'd have called it trolling. now I just call it obsessive at this point.

he must be rly bored

[dspguy]

I've played this game for nearly 10 years - and just today I had possibly only my second time of someone pulling over me in a dungeon. Which makes me think... what are these other tanks doing to put themselves in a position that they are being "outpulled" by a DPS/healer so often that this is a problem?

In this recent case, it was a NIN using that Shukuchi(?) ability to jump ahead. No issues. He got ahead, spammed some AOE on stuff and kept running to the next group. I'm guessing the SGE was prepping him with shields. It all worked out. He'd pull over me, and about 5 seconds later, I AOE once and I have it all. No big deal.

[Mosha]

I've played this game for nearly 10 years - and just today I had possibly only my second time of someone pulling over me in a dungeon. Which makes me think... what are these other tanks doing to put themselves in a position that they are being "outpulled" by a DPS/healer so often that this is a problem?

In this recent case, it was a NIN using that Shukuchi(?) ability to jump ahead. No issues. He got ahead, spammed some AOE on stuff and kept running to the next group. I'm guessing the SGE was prepping him with shields. It all worked out. He'd pull over me, and about 5 seconds later, I AOE once and I have it all. No big deal.

Outside of accidents and dps who pull who know what they're doing and trying to help the tank. Its very rare for dps just to pull stuff. It's normally because the tank is single pulling.

[Renathras]

I've always felt "If you want the responsibility of leadership, you must accept the consequences of it."

I hate people that try to act like the boss when it's easy/fun, but don't want to take on the actual responsibility of the job. They just want to be "in charge" and boss people around and get free privileges without paying the costs.

In my mind, UNLESS THE TANK ASKS FOR IT (like, directly asks for help pulling and rounding up things), the Tank is the one that qued up to draw agro and round up the enemies, so the Tank pulls. If you pull, you're the tank of that enemy you pulled without asking. A party is a team effort, so the Tank shouldn't be a diva, but part of TEAM EFFORT means DPSers/Healers not going rogue and pulling things on their own, too. TEAM means COMMUNICATION. If there's no communication, the standard is the Tank is pulling. They signed up for the responsibility, they're the ones that do it. If other party members want to pull more, they should be adults and "use your big-boy/girl words" and ASK instead of going unilateral rogue and potentially wasting 3 other people's time with a wipe or something from an unexpected pull - which can and does happen from time to time.

If the Tank is single-pulling, maybe that's what they're comfortable with or they're new or they have a new Healer friend so they're going easy on them. If you don't "use your words", you don't know, so as a DPS you shouldn't be pulling. If you want to pull either (a) que as a Tank or (b) use your words and talk in party chat to ask if you can. The Tank isn't your boss, per se, but you're one member of a 4 person team. That means 3 other people should get a say before you go rogue and break convention.

While it is true accidents happen (I know I've accidentally pulled things before on Healers or DPS due to things like an enemy dying right when I hit my instant attack button and it autotargeted and pulled the next group), there's a difference between an accidental instant-cast and someone running ahead and rolling through their AOE combo.

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The mentality should be:

The convention is the Tank pulls. If you aren't the Tank, don't pull. If you aren't the Tank and want to pull, que as a Tank next time. If you aren't a Tank and want to pull RIGHT NOW, open Party chat and talk like an adult to ask the other 3 members of your team if they're okay with that.

[Nestama]

A tank holds hate and mitigates. That's it. Whoever pulls doesn't matter as trash hits as hard as the trash mobs in Matoya's Wet Noodle Emporium (Matoya's Relict), which is to say as a WAR, a SCH only needs to plop Excog on me and then never worry about me until the next w2w because Bloodwhetting is OP.

Party sets the pace (and in most cases, DPS and Healers also want to w2w), not the tank.

[TaleraRistain]

Outside of accidents and dps who pull who know what they're doing and trying to help the tank. Its very rare for dps just to pull stuff. It's normally because the tank is single pulling.

I see it a lot from reapers cause they like to be up there in Narnia. I'm just like "Eyo, can you use Arm's Length till I'm in gap-closer range?"

The lag issues the last almost month from the AT&T and NTT issues didn't help matters either.