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  1. #51
    Player Simple_Barghest's Avatar
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    Wren Blackwing
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    What do you think the J in JRPG stands for?
    JavaScript.
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  2. #52
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    Aluja89's Avatar
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    Aluja Bright
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Dark souls are quite literally RPG games from japan. They have to be JRPGs or the term is just false.
    I rest my case.
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  3. #53
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest View Post
    JavaScript.
    Wrong, it stands for june. It's because they were all made in june

    Quote Originally Posted by Aluja89 View Post
    I rest my case.
    No, please explain your case. It's really funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  4. #54
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnthota View Post
    Dark Knight is there for people who like to play Dark Knight, as it always has been.
    No, it really isn't. They destroyed the HW and SB versions of DRK, so anybody who liked those versions of it don't have anything similar in the game to go to. DRK is not for people who like playing it, DRK is for the devs to destroy and to throw a few of its mechanics into something else. Reprisal and Low Blow were originally from DRK. Camouflage was originally from DRK (Dark Dance, changed into Anticipation). Eukrasia was originally from DRK (Dark Arts).
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  5. #55
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    Aelin_Ashryver's Avatar
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    Aelin Ashriver
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    Zodiark
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    Monk Lv 100
    Stormblood dark knight was by far and away my fave tank, just as stormblood astro was my fave. You can imagine how I felt going into shadowbringers seeing what they did to those two jobs ))))
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  6. #56
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    Denji's Avatar
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    Daddy Milkers
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    Behemoth
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    Marauder Lv 86
    man as someone who has always been a war main, it's nice to actually be viable for once. nobody wanted to be war in shb because of the absurd gcd you had to reach in addition to the rapid button mashing to get out just one extra fell cleave and even then you couldn't really compete with gnb or drk; especially in ally rous where ast made it pointless.

    i disagree about the invuln tho. i prefer drk's and pali's. that said i've honestly never felt the need to pop it outside of soaking those stack-up tank busters meant for 2 or more tanks.
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  7. #57
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    GoatOfWar's Avatar
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    Pepper Oni
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    Twintania
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnthota View Post
    Dark Knight is there for people who like to play Dark Knight, as it always has been.
    Conjurer and Arcanist are there for people who like to play Conjurer and Arcanist.
    That's not a valid argument. We don't need a job that is a strictly worse version of another.
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  8. #58
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Marilith
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Denji View Post
    man as someone who has always been a war main, it's nice to actually be viable for once. nobody wanted to be war in shb because of the absurd gcd you had to reach in addition to the rapid button mashing to get out just one extra fell cleave and even then you couldn't really compete with gnb or drk; especially in ally rous where ast made it pointless.

    i disagree about the invuln tho. i prefer drk's and pali's. that said i've honestly never felt the need to pop it outside of soaking those stack-up tank busters meant for 2 or more tanks.
    I agree about liking Living Dead more than Holmgang, but the reason Holmgang is the best is because of its cooldown.
    Literally everything other than that for an invul is just flavoring.
    WAR getting 2/3 activations of Holmgang over DRK's 2 and PLD's 1 is why its considered the best.

    Its entirely for the tempo and resources it can save, healing a tank to full once is no big deal, but being able to disregard so much damage that many times with an invul puts Holmgang on top
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  9. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I agree about liking Living Dead more than Holmgang, but the reason Holmgang is the best is because of its cooldown.
    Literally everything other than that for an invul is just flavoring.
    WAR getting 2/3 activations of Holmgang over DRK's 2 and PLD's 1 is why its considered the best.

    Its entirely for the tempo and resources it can save, healing a tank to full once is no big deal, but being able to disregard so much damage that many times with an invul puts Holmgang on top
    It's actually almost half the cooldown of HG.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Dark souls are quite literally RPG games from japan. They have to be JRPGs or the term is just false.
    By that breadth, you end up with Final Fantasy, Megaman, Pokemon, and Dark Souls all equally being games in which you play and develop a particular role, through progression systems of various sorts (weapons, augmentations, leveling, etc.), all made in Japan. All... JRPGs.

    That, however, would obviously be useless as a descriptor, since it would tell us nothing about the actual characteristics of the game.

    Not all games that have 'action' them will be "ARPGs"; it takes a particular center of design (philosophy), wherein timing and angle tend to really matter (as opposed to other centering and overarching design traits), for that descriptor to actually be useful. And when one refers to a modern "Ubisoft" game, they are not referring to the half or so that actually feel distinct from one another.

    When one refers to state-capitalism, they not referring to any and all capitalism that occurs within a state. When one refers to gendered languages, they are not merely referring to languages that allow one to note gender.

    The term "JRPG" has only existed because of particular, often-enjoyed traits that have distinguished them from other forms of RPG (your Biowares, Bethesdas, THQs, etc.).

    If it meant only that the game is from Japan, it would be as often used as "ARPG" (American/Australian RPG), "DRPG" (Danish/Dutch/Deutsch RPG), "BRPG" (Canadian/Chinese/Castilian/Columbian/Chechan RPG / what have you).
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