Lets talk about loot specifically savage loot.

[ForteNightshade]

To keep Savage alive for at least a full patch cycle.

Otherwise, the only incentivize to continuously run Savage is parsing. Which is not only something the devs don't like but also means you're never going to help randoms get their clears if your objective is pretty numbers. The faster you gear also means a bigger dent in the crafting market as that gear becomes less and less relevant.

If you could get a guaranteed piece per fight, well let's see how that looks for Warrior BiS, which is my job this tier.

P9S: One kill
P10S: Five kills
P11S: Three kills
P12S: One kill

So of the five fights they've designed, two of them I would only have to kill a single time if I were guaranteed gear each floor. The simple reality is there's no possible way to incentivize content without some degree of timegating.

Looks at the casuals that subscribe that don't run savage and I have to ask what keepss them subscribed the number is much larger than the savage players

They have their own content with its own timegating. Even putting that aside, the raid community is much more specific in why they play the game. If you could be done with Savage in under a month, you're likely losing a fair number of those players as there is literally zero reason for them to look at Savage again unless they like pretty numbers on a website. Casual players have different reasons for why they play.

Put bluntly, SE knows the raid community won't stick around unless there's a consistent amount of raid content which they cannot readily produce as quickly as it's consumed. So they timegate it to preserve some degree of longevity.

[Oizen]

Looks at the casuals that subscribe that don't run savage and I have to ask what keepss them subscribed the number is much larger than the savage players

I never said it was smart. Personally I think every savage could guarantee you one loot every time, not have to clear them in order every week, and remove the loot lockout entirely by the .x5 patch and nothing would change.

[dspguy]

So why are people allowed to clear and get no loot. I know they get a book each week but that still means they can go 3-6 weeks without winning loot.

That right there is the problem.

You pick when you want to raid.
You don't have to do some dungeon crawl to get to the "arena" where the boss that drops the loot is.
You don't need 36+ people to raid.
You don't lose experience when you die.
You don't have to respawn back in town and run all the way back.
You don't have to compete against the entire raiding population for a chance to fight the boss that drops the loot.
You don't have to kill 4-8 sub-bosses for a chance at the token you need to spawn the bigger boss where you only get one-shot at it before having to start again.

The list goes on and on. Essentially, some raiding players want a participation reward... and they get it.

Maybe think of raid loot as something special, not something a player is entitled to. You get the weekly token and the bonus is a chance at gear.

Players need to realign their expectations. Otherwise, we'll soon be at "clear the normal raid, click a button - get a full set of savage gear."

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I was doing some extra practice outside my static time and if we got close enough I knew I would have to wall it, thankfully about half the pf grp was myself and friends with this understanding. But we put up the pf under the title of practice not clear. And friends found some others they could clear with themselves as a group later from that practice. I don't know about others but I don't go into any "practice x" grp expecting it to clear. I'd join a clear group for such things.

I really wish I could help friends or randoms get their clears without cucking their loot. I also wish that accessories were 2 books. Just in general I want to be able to play with others more freely and gear my alt jobs in reasonable time. That is not really doable atm unless I finish getting my alt through endwalker and go unlock the raids on that.

[Troxbark]

Looks at the casuals that subscribe that don't run savage and I have to ask what keepss them subscribed the number is much larger than the savage players

We all know it's erp that keeps them around.

[VerdeLuck]

Looks at the casuals that subscribe that don't run savage and I have to ask what keepss them subscribed the number is much larger than the savage players

Casual player keep logging in because they enjoy the content they're playing. Most endgame raiders just do it for the kill credit and flashy rewards, not really for the fun of playing the content.
So, you have to stretch the gear out for raiders. Otherwise they would get their flashy gear/mount/weapons and leave till the next content drop.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Personally feel like the entire savage raiding system is just not well designed imo

[Miyumi_Nara]

I was doing some extra practice outside my static time and if we got close enough I knew I would have to wall it, thankfully about half the pf grp was myself and friends with this understanding. But we put up the pf under the title of practice not clear. And friends found some others they could clear with themselves as a group later from that practice. I don't know about others but I don't go into any "practice x" grp expecting it to clear. I'd join a clear group for such things.

As somebody else in this thread This is just shitty to do. Because you are blocking people regardless of there loot. I go into practice parties not expecting a clear but wont deny the group the clear if there able to do such. Because you know why im not a toxic person. I don't treat FF14 statics like a job because there not paying me.

I really wish I could help friends or randoms get their clears without cucking their loot. I also wish that accessories were 2 books. Just in general I want to be able to play with others more freely and gear my alt jobs in reasonable time. That is not really doable atm unless I finish getting my alt through endwalker and go unlock the raids on that.

The loot system is your reasoning for doing such this just further proves my point why it's bad. And why it needs a change. You sir have openly validated that this is an issue in savage and the loot system breeds toxic players I thank you for commenting