Crystaline Conflict is the worst

[Stormpeaks]

Queues for ranked are already long enough as it is, stop trying to kill the PVP of this game, and casual is fine as it is as well, it's fair the way it is, and if they add a "premade vs premade" system, it would never pop, so no its not viable.

[NekoMataMata]

You know we talked there about premade groups in the normal queue right? If it is a premade group vs a premade group then nobody should get steamrolled more than in the random games cause both sides have the same advantages. And ofc it should be rewarded if you play well, if that means slightly faster ranking up then i don't see the problem and it is certainly not steamrolling others.

I'm well aware we're talking about premades in normal queue. Also, why do you think it'd be premade vs premade? You even stated earlier in multiple posts that they would be up against solo players, and suggested that if the solo players didn't like it that they could make their own groups.

Now, if you want to make your own premade queue, then go right ahead. Oh, but no benefits for premades such as getting series exp faster. You get it at the same rate as the rest of us.

I'll keep it simple and leave it at that because I get the feeling that this isn't just a misunderstanding but an attempt on your part to be disingenuous.

[Reimmi]

There are not enough PVP players to support that sort of queuing system.

It wouldn't affect solo queue times much i imagine, i'm sure there's plenty of players who would take longer queues to play with their friends.
Also, being able to play with your friends may encourage more people to PVP increasing participation

[Archeron]

More people would queue for PvP in general if the developers cared enough about the mode to make simple QoL changes, and queues wouldn't be as long. But apparently we still can't get them to understand what "Player versus Player" means, as proven with the absolutely idiotic changes to Shatter, and completely uncalled for class adjustments that happen every patch.

PvE developers should not be implementing changes to PvP. PvP requires thorough playtesting before adjusting jobs, or changing maps significantly - Something they clearly don't do. Perhaps its just another show of arrogance like 1.0 where they believe they can do no wrong.

[MintnHoney]

I don't really see the problem with allowing premade groups, especially when they're added in as a separate mode. As it stands, they already manage to do this with queue manipulation, or however they call it, so all adding a different queue would do is create a different barrier of entry. As for steamrolling, well, I think things would get interesting when Group A and Group B, both notorious for being undefeatable, suddenly meet up to clash.

[Raikai]

For the love of Hydaelyn SE, let us group up with friends.

I think this is fine... as long as you land against another group of friends, or else you're basically just asking for easy wins against random people.

[Ransu]

Ranked is fine the way it is, but casual needs to allow small groups of 2 or 3.

[RyuDragnier]

I am a fan of more effort, more rewards, but that's already in the game. You already progress faster if you win more. You just can't rig the games in your favor by trying to run with a full premade and telling other players to suck it up and team up themselves if they don't like it.

And it's not even progressing faster if you think about it. I believe ranks 21-25 in the series require 7.7K series points. You get 700 for a loss, 900 for a win. Meaning if you lose all matches, that's only 11 matches. If you win all matches, that's only 9 matches. Winning and losing accounts for pretty much minimal changes in how long it takes to get a rank up. So queues for friends is a "No" from me, because winning matches barely effects your series rank.

[Ranaku]

I'm well aware we're talking about premades in normal queue. Also, why do you think it'd be premade vs premade? You even stated earlier in multiple posts that they would be up against solo players, and suggested that if the solo players didn't like it that they could make their own groups.

Now, if you want to make your own premade queue, then go right ahead. Oh, but no benefits for premades such as getting series exp faster. You get it at the same rate as the rest of us.

I'll keep it simple and leave it at that because I get the feeling that this isn't just a misunderstanding but an attempt on your part to be disingenuous.

What? Where?

Literally we are JUST TALKING HERE ABOUT PREMADE VS PREMADE. There is nothing else up for debate. I am 100% against premade vs. solo, that would suck and ruin the fun for so many people. Maybe you got confused somewhere along the way.

And if you care about "unfair" groups who coordinate and don't just run out of spawn, one by one, into their death then make it another option, like with ranked and unranked.

I said, to make it fair, just make a extra option for premade groups vs premade groups. So, you know, RANDOM PEOPLE DON'T GET STEAMROLLED.

My opinion is that there is little reason to not introduce an extra option for premade groups so everyone can have their fun.

So yeah, i don't ask for SE ruining solo queue with that. Not at all. I am totally against groups in random CC. These should be two separate options so everyone can have their fun.

So if you would be so kind please explain to me how you got the impression from all of that that i would somehow have the opinion that SE should just throw premade groups into solo queues. That's just kuponuts.

Your argument was "Wouldn't they have to gut all the rewards for it? Pre-mades would stomp and get twice the progress, meanwhile solo players cannot communicate at all with each other." to which i said, believing we still talked about you know THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD WHICH IS PREMADE GROUPS VS PREMADE GROUPS IN A SEPERATE QUEUE that you meant that obviously good groups would rank up faster. Cause you know, they win matches faster and more often than solo players. To which i replied, yeah if that bothers solo players they can make a group and join the PREMADE QUEUE then. How by the twelve do you turn all of that into me being for groups slaughtering solo players?

[Atelier-Bagur]

At least allow it for casual matches first.