Crystaline Conflict is the worst

[Ranaku]

Wouldn't they have to gut all the rewards for it? Pre-mades would stomp and get twice the progress, meanwhile solo players cannot communicate at all with each other.

Would that be so bad? People getting stuff faster when they actually play well together? It's not like it takes long anyways to get all the rewards, solo or not. And it's not like solo players can't just make their own team, right? Maybe it would actually motivate players to finally play together instead of doing it just for the reward in the most braindead way possible.

[Equitable_Remedy]

Premade v. PUG is bad PVP.

Splitting queues is bad for PVP.

That is all.

[Ranaku]

Premade v. PUG is bad PVP.

Splitting queues is bad for PVP.

That is all.

Again, nobody here is talking about premade v. randoms. And queues are already split.

That is all.

[NekoMataMata]

Would that be so bad? People getting stuff faster when they actually play well together? It's not like it takes long anyways to get all the rewards, solo or not. And it's not like solo players can't just make their own team, right? Maybe it would actually motivate players to finally play together instead of doing it just for the reward in the most braindead way possible.

Didn't you deny that your intention was to steamroll other groups on the first page of the thread, yet here you are quietly suggesting that it's a good thing?

I am a fan of more effort, more rewards, but that's already in the game. You already progress faster if you win more. You just can't rig the games in your favor by trying to run with a full premade and telling other players to suck it up and team up themselves if they don't like it.

[Reimmi]

Whats wrong with doing the overwatch approach
Duo queues into duo, fills with 3 solo players
trio queues into a trio, filles with 2 solo players, etc
would be completely fair and allow queueing with friends.

[NekoMataMata]

Whats wrong with doing the overwatch approach
Duo queues into duo, fills with 3 solo players
trio queues into a trio, filles with 2 solo players, etc
would be completely fair and allow queueing with friends.

I don't think we have enough consistently active players on CC to do so.

Maybe it's different on EU/JP DCs, or maybe it's just a bit better since it's the start of a new season with new rewards, but in a week or so I'll definitely be seeing the same faces over and over again during peak evening grind times.

It'd be nice if we could have all sorts of queues to satisfy everyone, but I don't think we have the people for it really.

[Equitable_Remedy]

Whats wrong with doing the overwatch approach
Duo queues into duo, fills with 3 solo players
trio queues into a trio, filles with 2 solo players, etc
would be completely fair and allow queueing with friends.

There are not enough PVP players to support that sort of queuing system.

[Ranaku]

Didn't you deny that your intention was to steamroll other groups on the first page of the thread, yet here you are quietly suggesting that it's a good thing?

I am a fan of more effort, more rewards, but that's already in the game. You already progress faster if you win more. You just can't rig the games in your favor by trying to run with a full premade and telling other players to suck it up and team up themselves if they don't like it.

You know we talked there about premade groups in the normal queue right? If it is a premade group vs a premade group then nobody should get steamrolled more than in the random games cause both sides have the same advantages. And ofc it should be rewarded if you play well, if that means slightly faster ranking up then i don't see the problem and it is certainly not steamrolling others.

And you are twisting my words here, i said the solo folks can make a premade group and join the premade queue if they want to win more frequently.

And there is no "more effort more reward" in the game atm. Cause as i said before, you can do ranked and just grind it out and reach crystal even if you are the worst player on your datacenter. CC is luck based atm and you can put in as much effort as you want but if you get bad players as teammates all your effort is for nothing. A bad player can get lucky with their matches and rank up to crystal in mere days while a good player maybe struggles months with it, how is that more effort more reward for you?

Just for example i lost 5 matches today, in each doing over 1.1m damage. While the other players from both my team and the enemy team struggled to get even 500k. So i can play as good as two maybe sometimes even three players combined but it is worth exactly nothing if rng gives me the bad players. So i ask you, what even is the point in the end? All it does is make the people who enjoy pvp overall despise it. And the other random players never cared about it in the first place, since they want to get just their rewards and be done with it.

[Bellsong]

Whats wrong with doing the overwatch approach
Duo queues into duo, fills with 3 solo players
trio queues into a trio, filles with 2 solo players, etc
would be completely fair and allow queueing with friends.

Sorry not allowed to use perfectly viable compromises in this single player MMO.

[Archeron]

I have a problem deciding which is worse. PvP as a whole in FFXIV, or the community who wants to implement dumb changes. This thread already exists on the PvP forums, so I won't give any detail. But NO. We don't want premade teams in CC, Not in ranked, not in casual. Make a seperate mode for teams to queue into. Last thing I want to do is fight premades of 2x Warr, or 2x WHM in every single match. No thanks.

Push for the developers to make a PvP developer team, and appoint a pvp director, since there currently isn't a seperation between PvE and PvP teams, and they've done nothing but make PvP worse since 6.2

And if you want a real solution to people coming into PvP unprepared, why is there literally NO PvP tutorial?