Stuff we have lost each expansion since shadowbringers

[VelKallor]

I seriously suggest you do some reading. ChatGPT is one such basic extension. Computer driven AI is much further along than you may realise. Whilst the technology is still fairly new, with the current advances in CPU computing power, networking systems, and yes, even though you may laugh, in time we may see thought driven systems.

I have actually seen examples of how this may work. A computer works on electrical impulses, and as the human brain is in itself a neurochemical process, programming a computer to translate those neuro impulses into actual commands isnt as hard as you may imagine. Think of it this way, a device connected to a computer, directly reading the commands given from a human brain, translated into AI actions.

Human thought is in itself a series of electrical impulses transmitted via neurons, alpha, theta waves, an EEG is itself a readout of electrical activity.

A computer doesnt read thoughts, it reads electrical impulses and translates those into actions. The source doesnt matter. Take a look at the anatomy of the spinal cord, and then look at a fibreoptic cable. The principle is the same.

Not today, maybe, but sooner than expected.

[Voltyblast]

Older dungeons were more challenging...since when? Only dungeon that could possibly fit was Aurum and the masses g
hated that dungeon. Hard mode dungeons never really felt hard, like at all. Launch dungeons like Zot and Switch are really the only ones (at launch) that are difficult.

Sure this comes down to opinion but better designed? No as well. I find no joy in running ARR-SB dungeons. The ONLY exception there is the Vault n Ghimlyt for me.

Since 2.1: original Pharos sirius was so hard healers would instantly quit and leave. Haukke HM had a soft enrage that was pretty tough to breach if you're into low gear (I had to leave once because my bard was undergeared). And Copperbell HM had a fun boss fight that actually required teamplay: the ranged having to deal with crystals and also untankable adds. It was later nerfed so now they're not as hard as they were, but they were Extreme Dungeons with the capital E.

I can go further though: Amdapor city had a fun final boss requiring memorization of doors, or else you'd die from the boss's mass AOE attack. Yes it was possible to wipe much easier before.
Halatali HM had an easy but fun final boss fight that was more reminiscent of an Arena fight. Not hard by any means, but I still remember that boss fight fondly
Brayflox HM was kind of simple but it had no gates, so you could speedrun it quickly

2.3 dungeons were also fairly good too: Hullbreaker isle was easy but the final boss was different and interesting than what we get today. Tam-tara HM's first boss actually required you to NOT aoe the adds, a mistake so many do nowadays because the mentality is "aoe adds". And Stone Vigil HM...well second boss is a cannon fight, and final boss is a fight without a tank. These alone take the cake.

It started to go down after 2.4: Snowcloak was very mediocre, although the second boss was a lot of fun before they changed it to be braindead easy. Sastasha HM had also another couple of fun fights, first boss could potentially wipe anyone if you weren't fast dispelling buffs, second boss was easy but had a dps check, and the final boss was also pretty good. Sunken temple HM was passable.

2.5 dungeons were passable but kinda meh: Keeper of the lake was okay pre-changes, Wanderer's Palace HM had a couple of good bosses but not as fun, and Amdapor keep HM was okay but bosses were nothing special.

Unfortunately it kept going like this after that and I frankly have no good memories of dungeons post ARR. Most of them became pretty basic and so easy that they're forgettable. But ARR dungeons were a lot of fun, I always looked forward to do my roulette - it also helped that we had 3 NEW expert dungeons each patch instead of 1. Bear in mind, most of them are different or nerfed so experience may vary: i played them when they launched and they were much harder than anything we get today. Because you could still wipe if you're not careful

I don't remember the last time I wiped in an expert dungeon in the last few years. But you do you, I still remember all ARR dungeons quite well. Meanwhile I have no memories of anything past that for how boring they've became.

PS: oh, and original Amdapor city was also way harder: first boss could wipe your entire team, second boss could wipe your entire team, and third boss could wipe your entire team. Also original Amdapor city had no gates so you could actually skip trash mobs with some tricks. It's because of that dungeon that we now have gates every 2 packs, so thank that dungeon for that!

[GaiusDrakon]

I seriously suggest you do some reading. ChatGPT is one such basic extension. Computer driven AI is much further along than you may realise. Whilst the technology is still fairly new, with the current advances in CPU computing power, networking systems, and yes, even though you may laugh, in time we may see thought driven systems.

I have actually seen examples of how this may work. A computer works on electrical impulses, and as the human brain is in itself a neurochemical process, programming a computer to translate those neuro impulses into actual commands isnt as hard as you may imagine. Think of it this way, a device connected to a computer, directly reading the commands given from a human brain, translated into AI actions.

Human thought is in itself a series of electrical impulses transmitted via neurons, alpha, theta waves, an EEG is itself a readout of electrical activity.

A computer doesnt read thoughts, it reads electrical impulses and translates those into actions. The source doesnt matter. Take a look at the anatomy of the spinal cord, and then look at a fibreoptic cable. The principle is the same.

Not today, maybe, but sooner than expected.

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Please never talk about AI again. Just because both axons and semiconductors pass electricity through doesn't mean that the brain and current generative models are alike. It's like saying apples and pigs will one day communicate with each other because they're both comprised of atoms. We aren't even using spiking neural networks in current generative models.

People who think it will be sooner than expected don't understand these systems. All we're seeing right now is a bunch of fancy regressions chained together. That's not how human brains work.

You can go back to LinkedIn if you think what you said is in any way profound.

[VelKallor]

Please never talk about AI again.

Okay . Ill talk about it all the time now.

Just because both axons and semiconductors pass electricity through doesn't mean that the brain and current generative models are alike.

If you knew anything on neurogenerative processes and actual human physiology, you wouldnt be saying this. Or do you have a degree in neurology?

It's like saying apples and pigs will one day communicate with each other because they're both comprised of atoms. We aren't even using spiking neural networks in current generative models.

Yet I have seen actual working models of thought controlled computers, being used to assist disabled people, have seen them in action. The technology is already HERE. Newcastle University has ALREADY built a thought controlled prosthetic arm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-3lGMjnGi0

NEXTMIND – Brain Computer Interface Project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y-58fIf6Uk

People who think it will be sooner than expected don't understand these systems. All we're seeing right now is a bunch of fancy regressions chained together. That's not how human brains work.

Oh we understand it all too well. So did the neuroscientists who showed me some of the developing technology. Have you seen a VR operating room?

Lastly, heres a demonstration of thought operated computer systems , filmed less than 4 weeks ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmA5FFSgLQw

Early days yet, agreed, but those kinda show it can be done. Considering the quantum leaps we have been making in computer technology, it isnt if.

Its when.

......................you were saying?

[Arkdra]

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Allied Beast tribes has been lost W lost a cool cutscene of all the beast tribe coming together to do something cool and an extra reward from them.

6.4 they broke there cycle of craftable ex weapons was hoping for seat of sacrifice or emerald weapon to get a glowy version of there weapons. This did not happen as of writing this.

As of writing this as well. There is no signs of an 8th trial for this expansion. Stormblood we had Gilgamesh and rathalos. Shadowbringers we had Varis. endwalker we have umm nothing so far.
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They're planning to do an allied capstone this time.

This is not the first patch where they missed craftable ex weapons. Joke answer: Every patch misses craftable ex weapons when you're a reaper or sage! ; ;

The 8th trial will almost assuredly be Asura, they're doing it at fanfest and it will most likely be added to the game as all the other fanfest trials have been.

[kinslayer-]

Staying on topic, it's too late to expect Suzaku, Byakko, Seiryu and other primal weapons for DNC and GNB? they only have the Shyinryu ones onwards.

[GaiusDrakon]

Okay . Ill talk about it all the time now.



If you knew anything on neurogenerative processes and actual human physiology, you wouldnt be saying this. Or do you have a degree in neurology?



Yet I have seen actual working models of thought controlled computers, being used to assist disabled people, have seen them in action. The technology is already HERE. Newcastle University has ALREADY built a thought controlled prosthetic arm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-3lGMjnGi0



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y-58fIf6Uk



Oh we understand it all too well. So did the neuroscientists who showed me some of the developing technology. Have you seen a VR operating room?

Lastly, heres a demonstration of thought operated computer systems , filmed less than 4 weeks ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmA5FFSgLQw

Early days yet, agreed, but those kinda show it can be done. Considering the quantum leaps we have been making in computer technology, it isnt if.

Its when.

......................you were saying?

simple signals in the motor cortex =/= complex signals in the prefrontal cortex

but i'm used to laymen spouting bullshit they know nothing about

i may not work in biology but i literally deal with ML every day so I know the other half of the equation: which is that whatever you say about AI is complete nonsense

if it were me only people with phds can speak on this issue!!

[DPZ2]

Are you actually saying you're fine with a multi billion company encouraging players to play with NPC's instead of you know making the content fun ? You are not a white knight, but you dont know what an MMORPG is either, in an MMORPG you play with players, not with NPC's in dungeons. If you want to play with NPC's just play a single player game.

Final Fantasy XIV is about the only MMORPG I've ever come across that makes playing dungeon instances mandatory to advance through the story. I can play through the entirety of the World of Warcraft leveling experience without playing a single dungeon instance. Same goes for Guild Wars 2. Same goes for every other MMORPG I've played this century.

What makes you think that NPCs are out of place in those mandatory dungeon instances, other than your preference for playing with others? There are plenty of players who still play through the dungeon instances in random groups, despite the fact that NPCs are available. Who yanked the "I can't get anyone to play with me anymore because ... NPCs!" chain so badly that you'd even use this as an argument?

If, as the latest player survey infers, there are close to 1.5 million active characters, and each of them is paying $12US for subscription, that brings in $216US million a year in subscriptions. Yet somehow, the entirety of the MMORPG division of Square Enix Q3 Full Year results is closer to $384US million. (I suspect the player survey misses a number of subscribers, since it can't check that status).

Square Enix's current year revenues are at around $1.7 billion dollars. It doesn't make the majority of its revenues from Final Fantasy XIV, no matter how much certain players believe it to be true.

Complaining that a company spends its money on things other than the one game you want is pointless.

[Shurrikhan]

Final Fantasy XIV is about the only MMORPG I've ever come across that makes playing dungeon instances mandatory to advance through the story. I can play through the entirety of the World of Warcraft leveling experience without playing a single dungeon instance.

Sure, but only in the technical sense... and one which does not include post-leveling story... or even all parts of the leveling story.

Even in Vanilla WoW, while you could reach 60 without doing group content, most of your power progression came from gear and gold-purchased skill training, not from levels alone (as Crit, Haste, the relative value of MP5, etc., all devalued with levels). And from where did one tend to acquire gear and gold in any efficient fashion? From either gathering grind loops, for which one competed with other players (since nodes weren't individualized)... or from group content. Grouping up was miles more efficient and the game almost constantly encouraged it, from the recommended 3-player and 5-player quests to just the fact that even mob grinding was tremendously more efficient in groups.

The group content was, even back then, the core of the game. Its not being "required" was little more than a technicality.



Consider: If I call something a "gun game"... would you not expect at least one of those guns to actually be fired, designed, provide threat, or otherwise be leveraged, rather than just sitting in the background of something irrelevant to that?

In the same way, an MMO can fail to make any use of its being massively multiplayer and still technically be an MMO, but... that's a tremendous waste.



To be clear, I don't mind that XIV can be played wholly single-player (or, wouldn't, if only the Trust AI was better so that it wasn't even further detracting from player learning, with some other way, such as lower %damage from the Trust members, to incentivize grouping over Trusts). But an MMO that doesn't leverage being an MMO... isn't something we should aspire towards.

Since 2.1: original Pharos sirius was so hard healers would instantly quit and leave. Haukke HM had a soft enrage that was pretty tough to breach if you're into low gear (I had to leave once because my bard was undergeared). And Copperbell HM had a fun boss fight that actually required teamplay: the ranged having to deal with crystals and also untankable adds. It was later nerfed so now they're not as hard as they were, but they were Extreme Dungeons with the capital E.

I can go further though: Amdapor city had a fun final boss requiring memorization of doors, or else you'd die from the boss's mass AOE attack. Yes it was possible to wipe much easier before.

Gods I miss these...

[VelKallor]

simple signals in the motor cortex =/= complex signals in the prefrontal cortex

but i'm used to laymen spouting bullshit they know nothing about. i may not work in biology but i literally deal with ML every day so I know the other half of the equation: which is that whatever you say about AI is complete nonsense if it were me only people with phds can speak on this issue!!

You. "Working with ML" In medical sciences..neurology..PhD's.....