Thoughts on Healing, Tanks & Mob Pack Damage in 6.4

[Chie_M]

I actually really liked Holminster's damage! I'd love everything to hit a bit harder.

[Reimmi]

No. Mob damage is fine. The moment you make them hit drastically harder is the moment where you re-evaluate tanks self sustain.

Lmao huh? tank self sustain is the highest it's ever been (excluding drk back with abyssal drain memes), mobs need to hit harder

[Maltothoris]

Can dungeon mobs still land critical hits, or did that go away at some point?

They did away with this in Shadowbringers with their way to keep the damage up was by making everything hit about 20-30 percent stronger to offset the fact that the tanks had a permanent tank stance up. That being said, that has only made things more predictable when you see say an auto hit for 15k and you know that auto will always hit for 15k.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Lmao huh? tank self sustain is the highest it's ever been (excluding drk back with abyssal drain memes), mobs need to hit harder

or just remove tank sustain. its too high

[Absurdity]

or just remove tank sustain. its too high

It still wouldn't do anything. Dark Knight has basically no sustain besides AD and dungeons are still a laughable cakewalk, not even leveling dungeons outside of Tower of Zot and some pulls in Vanaspati are threatening.

[Zeastria]

Just tell the tank to not use his/her def cds = prob solved.

[RyuDragnier]

Holminster in early ShB was a bit of a special case, it was a combination of leveling dungeon where people don't completely overgear the minimum ilvl and a whole lot of absolutely terrible Gunbreakers.

I absolutely agree with wanting dungeons that have a bit more teeth (or any teeth at all really) but this is a discussion that has been going on for years at this point. The level cap dungeons aren't just easy at this point, they're completely mindless, and have been even before the introduction of Bloodwhetting.

I feel that the best way to fix it is to do the one thing most people would clutch their pearls at right now...cap the max ilvl for current level 90/expert content dungeons, probably to the exact level the gear dropped from the dungeon is. This makes it so the content is always difficult because you can't outgear it, if you already have tome/raid gear you've already gotten as strong as you can in there, you're not getting any stronger.

[Semirhage]

I feel that the best way to fix it is to do the one thing most people would clutch their pearls at right now...cap the max ilvl for current level 90/expert content dungeons, probably to the exact level the gear dropped from the dungeon is. This makes it so the content is always difficult because you can't outgear it, if you already have tome/raid gear you've already gotten as strong as you can in there, you're not getting any stronger.

I would certainly have to heal more often.

I'd also still spend a good 70%+ of my time on Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare.

[AmiableApkallu]

They did away with this in Shadowbringers with their way to keep the damage up was by making everything hit about 20-30 percent stronger to offset the fact that the tanks had a permanent tank stance up. That being said, that has only made things more predictable when you see say an auto hit for 15k and you know that auto will always hit for 15k.

Ah. I personally find the less predictable, spikey incoming damage to be a bit more fun -- living for that occasional moment of, "the tank will be fine *glare/malefic/broil* OMGWTFBBQ did every mob just crit at the same time!?"

[Oizen]

Lmao huh? tank self sustain is the highest it's ever been (excluding drk back with abyssal drain memes), mobs need to hit harder

But then we'd need to significantly buff DRK's self sustain because the gap between it and something like Holmgang is isane.