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  1. #11
    Player
    ZephyrMenodora's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Zephyr Menodora
    World
    Zalera
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    1. Not even Trying, would want to boot: No Job Stone, No Stance Tank, Blizzard 1 spam BLM, people who constantly AFK and aren't even moving. People that use shared gear levels 1-60 with the wrong stats. I don't run into these types very often but when I do, they are memorable and infuriating.

    2. Underperforming: Bards that won't use songs, Dancers who won't dance, AST that won't use cards, Tanks that don't mitigate, Healers who only spam their single target DPS skill as teammates die around them, Healers that do nothing but wait for something to heal which means they have long periods of time idle, in fact any player with long periods of not casting or doing anything. I run into these types more than I'd like but still overall it's not super common.

    Newer / learning players also often underperform but I expect this and it doesn't bother me. Also severely undergeared people who are at least trying.

    3. Basic Competency: You generally use your toolkit at appropriate times and engage with your job's core mechanics. You're gear is at level or only one tier behind content. A majority players fall into here in PUGS.

    4. Overperforming: You are over-geared for the content and also know how to play your class optimally.
    (5)

  2. #12
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    Kaurhz's Avatar
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    Character
    Asuka Kirai
    World
    Sagittarius
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Underperforming:
    - Not knowing the basics/fundamentals of your job kit. I am not referring to high-end play but just fundamentals, not AoE'ing when dealing with packs of mobs, or using AoE on single target mobs/bosses (e.g., using Soul Scythe, or Guillotine on single-target) , not knowing/doing 1>2>3, in the case of Reaper, neglecting abilities such as Whorl/Shadow of Death.
    - Not having appropriate skills unlocked on a timely basis, and/or including the absence of a job stone.
    - Unwilling to accept constructive feedback, e.g., if someone is genuinely trying to help, shutting them away or down, be it linking a guide from a reputable source (e.g., Balance).
    - Joins parties inappropriately, especially those that may be doing duties that require an enrage. Causing an inconvenience to those around them. - This is something that can only be determined by those around them e.g., doesn't apply to those that may be doing the duties entirely pre-grouped, helping friends, etc.,

    Median:
    - Knowing core skills and fundamentals of your job kit, able to contribute to the party in a meaningful way, with semi/appropriate use of buffs, e.g., using Arcane Crest when familiar with the fight. A decent understanding of the opener, and making good use of the job kit, e.g., will use Soulsow/Harvest Moon.
    - Able to accept constructive feedback. If someone tells you that you suck, then yes, by all means, ignore it, and by all means at your leisure, report it. But at the very least after the duty/party has concluded try and look at what you may have been doing wrong, either with the encounter, or with your job kit.
    - Able to make basic use of role action abilities - Not necessarily all the time, but has at least shown potential. Whether it's using Arm's Length as an additional form of 'mitigating', using Bloodbath, or True North to aid with positional-enabled attacks - Again, not consistent, or always using, but has shown the potential of understanding their use rather than ignoring.
    - Doesn't mind a slight deficit to themselves provided it shows a greater concern for other people and respecting their time/objective - What I mean by this is, don't join a killing party if you're still learning earlier parts of the fight unless you're a quick learner. Is OK with joining multiple kill parties before going onto the farm just to be consistent if they otherwise aren't? tl;dr staying in the appropriate lane.

    Overperforming:
    - Doesn't exist, just play to the best of your ability, even glossing over the skills for a particular job and you should in theory at least know the 1>2>3 and fundamentals of the job after some practice. Anything above what the duty requires, and what the party you're grouped with, is a bonus, really.
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    Last edited by Kaurhz; 05-31-2023 at 02:20 AM.

  3. #13
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Character
    Silver Strider
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Underperformed is the AST I had this weekend in Aetherfont that never bothered to use a single attack spell, despite the WAR literally never falling below 90% HP. Earthly Star was the only damage they did the entire run.
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  4. #14
    Player Ivtrix's Avatar
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    Character
    Ivtrix Impreria
    World
    Goblin
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    everyone who does better than me is an overperformer

    anyone who does worse than me is an underperformer

    it is known
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  5. #15
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    If someone is trying, then they're fine by me, even if they're bad.
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    I give up with you people. Forum community is absolutely unhinged. Imagine joining my alt's FC just to wait for me to come online to harass me lmao.

  6. #16
    Player
    Themarvin's Avatar
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    Character
    Kurotora Iga
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    As long as you do enough to kill the thing before it rages, then you do enough.... what is more important is if you can dodge the mechanics or whatever.

    Skipping mechanics is technically overperforming and dying to enrage is under performing.

    If you can repeat with everything on whatever boss boss mechanic and withgroup always getting it at 1 to 0 seconds before enrage, then you and your group is really good, you did the full Savage, EX or Ultimate doing every single mechanic and nasty thing the boss presented for you, repeating it 10 times in a row, shows a class and extreme skill level of its own.
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  7. #17
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    Character
    Nathaniel Lenox
    World
    Twintania
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Underperformance to me is people who:
    - Don't fulfill the role expectations.
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  8. #18
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Character
    Mira Clearweaver
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    To me 'underperforming' can be one of, or combinations of:
    • Consistently doing worse than trust NPCs. (You're in a lv70+ dungeon for longer than 35m? Considering average trust runs are like 23m-29m in general... yep, that's definitely underperforming, at least one of the player.)
    • Doing purely what their role demands them to AND with barest minimum effort. (See that GNB who only AoE a few times then barely does anything else for like 90% in a single pull with no mits & chills on top of red carpets like a royal guard? Yep, that's the one.)
    • Players who sandbag their party (un)intentionally for not at least reading & trying to understand anything about their toolkits. (See that -solo DNC- in Puppets' Bunker? Yep)
    • Players who consistently repeats wrong decisions. (See that WHM who panic heal by spamming Cure III & Medica II at a tank during wall pull/SGE who spams Diagnosis & Prognosis then run dry of mana because other buttons are invisible? Yep.)


    I do admit, I have harsher standard when it comes to other healers, but I guess part of the reason is because I main one.
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  9. #19
    Player Pratini's Avatar
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    Character
    Henry Seger
    World
    Marilith
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Who cares about performance in non EX/Savage/Ult content?
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  10. #20
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    Character
    Red Rider
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Nobody expects perfection in normal mode, but imo underperforming is when you can't be bothered to do the bare minimum and are actually a liability to the rest of the party. That's not to be confused with someone that's new to the fight/job/role, because normally they're running around like headless chocobo mashing buttons in panic, I'm talking about the half-afk people: The Bard that doesn't move at all in Titan, the WHM that's casting Glare while half the raid's dead, the DRK that doesn't use Rampart once, etc.

    Personally, as a healer main, the lazy healers annoy me the most. You have one job, in a role that's had its skill ceiling set insultingly low, and you still let people die??? even a Sylphie is more reliable.
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    Last edited by Allegor; 06-02-2023 at 04:54 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

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