Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[RyuDragnier]

To add insult to injury, the devs themselves admited to "be not sure what else they could have added to healers".

Correction, the actual statement was "We're not sure what else we could do for SCH." It wasn't the healers in full, but SCH in particular they referred to.

[MatchaokaCha]

If it had been OW as a comparison it'd at least have the 3 roles, but no IIRC it was Halo, COD, Battlefield and one other (maybe Titanfall I don't recall). And their point was that we should have Halo Easy, COD Medium, Battlefield Hard, Titanfall 'ridiculously hard'. And my point was that 'what if someone likes Halo, but wants to play Halo on a harder difficulty' and needless to say, that discussion went nowhere. Just like the Lich King, there must always be a simple, one button DPS rotation healer, to keep all the mindless undead from running rampant or whatever the lore was, idk anymore they broke the helmet so y'know

This is the chart I made, to illustrate what I want the skill floor (green), skill 'staircase' (idk what term to use, middle of the road difficulty, red), and skill ceiling (going for 99th percentile, orange), oh right also it's based on 'how spicy is this curry' because yes, before going for FPS games, the discussion was comparing the healers to curry. And between that and the games, it was hot wings (yes three different analogies and it still didn't seem to help):

LOL. I thought it would be like those The Balance job guides I used to read on healing. This is pretty straightforward with the spicy food analogy. No, that's just them intentionally misrepresenting you. I can't believe anyone with a head on their shoulders could misunderstand what you just told me. I think this type of healer design is much MUCH more healthier for the playerbase than whatever mess we have right now. Also, HALO? Damn.

[elioaiko]

There's really no reason for healers or tanks to have such dull dps kits.

At the end of the day, everyone contributes to a dps check because that's the only thing that matters.

Why not make it less boring to do so?

The gameplay dulling is starting to trickle down to the dps jobs and now ppl are really freaking out as if healer and tank weren't suffering for 3 expansions now.

And telling folks to do ultimate content for more engaging healing is such a kick in the face.

[ForsakenRoe]

There's really no reason for healers or tanks to have such dull dps kits.

At the end of the day, everyone contributes to a dps check because that's the only thing that matters.

Why not make it less boring to do so?

Because apparently, despite tanks having such crazy amounts of selfhealing and an actual damage rotation (which is not part of their role's duties), and DPS having selfhealing, self mit, party mit (which is not part of their role's duties), the moment we suggest that healers get to have a damage rotation on par with tanks, suddenly the 'holy trinity' MUST be respected. And yes, when people have suggested 'what if the healers had a DPS rotation a bit closer to tanks', certain individuals have twisted it and parroted 'nobody wants to have the stress of doing a DPS job's rotation, while also juggling healing'. Yeh, that's why we aren't asking for a DPS job's rotation. Is it any wonder Yoshi doesn't know 'what healers want' when people who want to keep things as they are now (because it benefits them to have zero skill ceiling) keep muddying the waters?

If anyone wants to explain to me how a suggestion of mine, to change Dia from 30s to 12s (rescale potency), and add ONE GCD with a 15s CD on WHM makes the damage rotation for the class as complex as something like 'fully optimized DNC or MNK' I'm all ears

[ty_taurus]

I kind of find the constant addition of NPC/Trust healers having more support and DPS capabilities massively insulting, because it makes it seem like that's what they want healers to be capable of doing but feel the player isn't responsible enough to handle them.

[ForsakenRoe]

'Let's have the healers able to cast powerful cool spells like Flood, Quake and Death!'
'Uhh I dunno boss, that sounds too complicated for them, they might get confused and not heal, which is their duty after all'
'Oh no, you misunderstand. I mean then NPC healers, for the new dungeon NPC thingy we're making'
'Ohh gotcha, yeh ok no prob. And for the 'player healers'?
'Same again, +10 potency on the nuke, and some kind of healing skill or two. Get the interns to come up with a new way to disguise '10% mitigation' as a new thing again'

[Zolvolt]

He said that it was the beginning of the expansion when things are intentionally easier and that there would be adjustments as the patches come out.

I'd just like to revisit this comment to remind everyone that they lied

[Absurdity]

I kind of find the constant addition of NPC/Trust healers having more support and DPS capabilities massively insulting, because it makes it seem like that's what they want healers to be capable of doing but feel the player isn't responsible enough to handle them.

It very much comes across as if healer players are considered less capable than bots, better not overload their mental faculties with too many buttons that aren't "press to heal for X".

[Deceptus]

'Same again, +10 potency on the nuke, and some kind of healing skill or two. Get the interns to come up with a new way to disguise '10% mitigation' as a new thing again'

"Adjust" their dot so it really isn't an upgrade.

[Iedarus]

Lmao best part is Yshtola uses Bravery of the Seventh Dawn

Ryne also uses Banish III lmao

Venat uses True Stone, True Aero and True Holy.